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[Urist Tilaturist]

How is the progress on the new changes?

[Grimlocke]

Been messing around with descriptions and noses mostly. The latter not being particularly productive to be honest...

Also tried a few ASCII art image makers to see if I can get a somewhat legible picture into the game. Here's a few screenshots:

Description, there's more when you scroll down. For some reason the game only wants to display that many lines of info despite having much more room below.


Tried to put a picture from an old fighting manual in the ASCII art screen. Sort of works but only when you zoom out a lot.

[Urist Tilaturist]

A good effort, but I would put it below removing silly flat strikes and unnecessary explosions into gore on the priority list.

[Urist Tilaturist]

Any more progress on the next version?

[Michael_Almeida]

So question: The latest revision seems to have a large number of new reactions in the entity files.

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<><><><><><><><>    Reactions & Buildings <><><><><><><><>

[PERMITTED_BUILDING:PIT_BLOOMERY]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:1_IRON_ORE->-SMALL_BLOOM]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:CHIMNEY_BLOOMERY]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:4_IRON_ORE->-LARGE_BLOOM]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:BLAST_FURNACE]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:MAGMA_BLAST_FURNACE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:SMELT_IRON_ORE_BLAST_FURNACE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:SMELT_IRON_ORE_BLAST_FURNACE_COKE]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:CRUCIBLE_FURNACE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:IRON->-RAW_CRUCIBLE_STEEL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CRUCIBLE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLASS->-GLASS_POWDER]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:FINERY_FORGE]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:MAGMA_FINERY_FORGE]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:TRIP_HAMMER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:4_PIG_IRON->-SMALL_BLOOM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:16_PIG_IRON->-LARGE_BLOOM]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RAW_BLOOM_SMALL->-BLOOM_SMALL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RAW_BLOOM_LARGE->-BLOOM_LARGE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RAW_BLOOM_LARGE->-RAW_BLOOM_SMALL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BLOOM_SMALL->-BARS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BLOOM_LARGE->-BARS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:METEORITE->-BARS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:IRON->-STEEL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:IRON->-PIG_IRON]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STEEL->-PIG_IRON]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STEEL_PATTERNED_START]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CONTINUE_HAMMERING_FINERY]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CONTINUE_HAMMERING_TRIP_HAMMER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CHARCOAL->-CHARCOAL_POWDER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_STONE_ARROWS_LEAF]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_STONE_ARROWS_BROADHEAD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ENT_IRON]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ENT_STEEL_PATTERNED]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ENT_STEEL_CRUCIBLE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ENT_METEORIC_IRON]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_1]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_3]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_4]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_5]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_6]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_7]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_8]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_9]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RESERVE_10]

Considering that the files provided do not include reactions or buildings, I believe this might be something left in by mistake.

[Grimlocke]

Gah! Thought I removed that. Must have mixed up some files somewhere...

I have been rather more preoccupied than I though I would be the last few days, I can post a fix for the weapons right now if you want though. Nothing on the face-parts problem though, anything I change there just seems to make things worse. I might make an optional 'module' that just replaced them all (except teeth) with dummy bodyparts, though im not sure I can fully prevent them from showing up in weird places.

EDIT: Dropped an updated item_weapon file on the first post. Its got the flat strikes removed and a number of secondary attacks cleaned up and made consistent. It also turned out the one-handed axes had two flat strike attacks... not sure how that got there!

[Urist Tilaturist]

Installed the item_weapon file. Silly flat strikes are gone, but super strong eyelids still exist.

[Michael_Almeida]

So these files effectively remove most clothing types for some reason, and the entity files actually seem to be supposed to give them clothes that don't exist.

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[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_SURCOAT:FORCED]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_TABARD:FORCED]

I think you need to take a closer look at your files.

[Grimlocke]

The tabard and surcoat are in item_body, they are overcoats like cloaks.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by removing clothing. All the vanilla clothing items are modified but still there with the same names.

I think something might have gone wrong installing it there, did you use all the files or just a few of them? If its the latter, keep in mind the armor file for instance only has actual armor in it now, body clothing is moved to item_body to save on clutter.

[Michael_Almeida]

Now I see the problem. I was using winmerge and never noticed the item_body file.

[Urist Tilaturist]

Any more progress on super eyelids?

[Max™]

I am actually aware that a lucerne hammer is a polearm, but it's the type of head and I can't find what that should be called to differentiate from the non-spiked war hammer types so I figured I'd just leave it since I know what I mean most of the time.

Also, I had the hilarious mental image of fiddling with making facial features less prone to being hit and getting weird results like whacking someone in the elbow and having teeth fly everywhere, what is wrong with me?

[Grimlocke]

Alright, follow some procrastination, experimentation and some test subjects dying from old age, this is where I arrived at:

I have made all face-bits internal safe for the eyes, reduced their size and removed lips and cheeks on creatures that use the 'FACIAL_FEATURES' bodypart entry, which is about all humanoid creatures at least. Somehow this does not actually seem to result in noticeable errors with the descriptions.

Its not perfect, as things like ears but also the tongue and mouth behave like internal organs, but all other solutions either require me to alter just about every creature entry in the game, or just plain don't work. Embedding them should work the same way it works for fingers and throats, but its bugged for helmets. Bodypart relations like the ones skulls use don't work reliably either. There is also no way to transfer damage to an embedded part to the parent bodypart. I tried removing all the completely superfluous bodyparts by just leaving their raw entry empty, but that generates a flood of errors.

The AI can at least no longer target lips and teeth and such, though it comes at the cost of silly combat reports like blows glancing off the helmet, doing no damage, yet still somehow tearing apart an ears, noses and... tongues. Which is also the reason I left eyes as they are. That and hitting eyes through a helmet actually makes sense. Teeth can still be damaged but stopped flying all over the place, kind of a shame but at least it doesn't render all your soldiers toothless after a while.

Replace the contents of body_default with this: http://pastebin.com/7ivj3nRt to give this a try, it will be released with the main mod after I'm done making vain attempts at a more graceful solution.

Also making ears into joints causes the AI to get stuck endlessly bending someone's ear, which is kind of funny.

The scratch attack does seem more glaringly silly now. It would be fairly trivial to remove on the entity and beast races...

Other stuff I have been working on is mostly minor weapon balance/bug corrections as well as slews of item descriptions. Looking forward to any feedback you may have!

[Urist Tilaturist]

Remove scratching if its effects are too daft.

[Urist Tilaturist]

Has there been any more progress? You could try making a mod compatible with this mod:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139049.0