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[Loud Whispers]

YAMATO CANNONS FIRED

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Just gonna ptw this. I might contribute later,though.

[Urist Tilaturist]

I... don't think that's how economics work

Please elaborate a little. How does having a shrinking, ageing population and negative attitudes to women having long careers not hinder an economy?

I am fine with being wrong, but you have to be right first.

Reelya: I am very ignorant about Japanese comics, but you are equally ignorant about American ones if you think they "literally all" have superheroes in them and none are mature. Obviously Watchmen is off limits for those who do not like superheroes, but have you read Maus?

Loud Whispers: The Yamato was a massive waste of money that got sunk by US aeroplanes a fraction of its price. The Pacific campaign of World War 2 was, to risk sounding vulgar, largely a case of "America, Fuck Yeah!" and "Japan, Suck No!"

Unless, of course, you are referring to a cannon that shoots people of the Yamato (Japanese) race, which I would just consider inhumane, or designed by them, in which case it is just like any other cannon, only with more racial superiority complex.

Regarding "culture war", Japan took China's characters, so it has hardly been going on forever. I would say the Mongol invasion may have started it, but the Imjin war got it going in earnest.

[Reelya]

The Japanese birthrate is about the same as Germany, and is actually higher than a number of other countries. The United States also has a fertility rate below replacement level (and the USA is on the high side compared to rich European nations). The issue isn't Japans lack of fertility compared to other rich countries, it's their disinclination to raising immigration rates

[Urist Tilaturist]

The Japanese birthrate is about the same as Germany. The United States also has a fertility rate below replacement level (and the USA is on the high side compared to rich European nations). The issue isn't Japans lack of fertility compared to other rich countries, it's their disinclination to raising immigration rates.

True. That is a major part of it which I forgot to mention.

They are more aged than any other major nation to my knowledge, though.

[Loud Whispers]

Loud Whispers: The Yamato was a massive waste of money that got sunk by US aeroplanes a fraction of its price. The Pacific campaign of World War 2 was, to risk sounding vulgar, largely a case of "America, Fuck Yeah!" and "Japan, Suck No!"
Unless, of course, you are referring to a cannon that shoots people of the Yamato (Japanese) race, which I would just consider inhumane, or designed by them, in which case it is just like any other cannon, only with more racial superiority complex.
Regarding "culture war", Japan took China's characters, so it has hardly been going on forever. I would say the Mongol invasion may have started it, but the Imjin war got it going in earnest.

You're fond of taking things rather literally a bit

[Urist Tilaturist]

What is the figurative meaning of a Yamato cannon, then?

[Reelya]

One thing that economists talk about is that high birth rates are actually associated with more women working: because families with kids need more income. When you don't have kids, having dual incomes isn't so important. So many married Japanese women don't work, but they're also not tied down with kids either:

In other rich countries, higher birth rates nearly always accompany higher female employment, and in Japan itself the birth rate is higher in the countryside, where more women work, than in the big cities, where fewer do.

So you can see there is at least a little complexity to the relationship. Sure we want a growing economy and population with more women working, but not at the expense of tying women down with kids. So I'd hardly say that the west's "more kids per woman / more women working" is a 100% blessing for women.

[RangerCado]

What is the figurative meaning of a Yamato cannon, then?

The massive blast weapon in Starcraft 2 by the same name?
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Yamato_cannon

[Furtuka]

What is the figurative meaning of a Yamato cannon, then?

He's just saying "Shots fired!" with a twist because of Reelya's response to your criticisms and saying all their games and cartoons suck which was a rather nonobjective and potentially derailing statement and so it is very good how mature your responses afterwards have been, since part of the joke is that there is a danger to said aspect of the discussion taking over the thread once introduced in such a way.

[Reelya]

That originates in the 1974 anime Space Battleship Yamato actually. Starcraft is referencing it.

[Loud Whispers]

What is the figurative meaning of a Yamato cannon, then?

SHOTS FIRED

[Reelya]

Reelya: I am very ignorant about Japanese comics, but you are equally ignorant about American ones if you think they "literally all" have superheroes in them and none are mature. Obviously Watchmen is off limits for those who do not like superheroes, but have you read Maus?

I know some occasional cool things exist, but they're pretty damn rare.

[Urist Tilaturist]

One thing that economists talk about is that high birth rates are actually associated with more women working: because families with kids need more income. When you don't have kids, having dual incomes isn't so important. So many married Japanese women don't work, but they're also not tied down with kids either:

In other rich countries, higher birth rates nearly always accompany higher female employment, and in Japan itself the birth rate is higher in the countryside, where more women work, than in the big cities, where fewer do.

So you can see there is at least a little complexity to the relationship.

Very interesting. It still seems like Japan's economy would be in a better state if more married women worked, especially the childless ones whose families do not need an adult staying at home.

That "Yamato cannon" thingy looks like a tactical nuclear weapon of some sort. The explosions look suspiciously small for something of that power - a concentrated beam of that much energy would burn a massive hole in the ground at least. Unfortunately there is no explanation as to what is done with the radioactive fallout - or is it a fusion explosion?

I said "most of", not "all of", and said that many would say the same for the US and many other places.

[Reelya]

The Yamato cannon is basically the results of firing an Ion Drive or similar at full thrust out the front of the ship. The thing is actually the engine, and runs the whole length of the ship.

My comments were mainly targeted at your statement that Japan hadn't mobilized women specifically in the comics, cartoons and games field. Less shoujo mangas get made into games than action mangas, but drama isn't really well suited to games adaptations (has anyone done Jane Austen novels as games?). But there are a whole lot of women's media franchises in Japan, including comics, cartoons and live action TV / movies. Plus Otome games, these are games aimed at women, some of which get turned into TV shows as well. Otome games feature female main characters and usually a host of sexualized male side-characters.

The main reason most people in the West don't know about this is that the USA only pushes the kid's and boys / action type stuff (Dragon Ball, Pokemon etc). That's more to do with what works in the US market than what Japan makes. When was the last time a shoujo anime got on TV in America?