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[My Name is Immaterial]

They can be called Spurk and Kock.

That sound like a pornographic 'parody'.

[wierd]

Captain Kock would NEVER get past the CBS censors!

[Xantalos]

Make him Swedish, there you go.

[Neonivek]

To admit though with games where you can select your character...

Is it wrong if the game originally was written as IF the character was one gender the entire time in a similar way that Sheppard basically was?

Since... in the end that character avoids all the female tropes and loses all gendered tropes in the process.

(Yes, I take this topic seriously...)

[Loud Whispers]

No one got b& and the thread still lives... And everyone's talking about breast preference and nazi kirk.

I'll take it if it means the thread lives, so congratulations are in order.

[Neonivek]

No one got b& and the thread still lives... And everyone's talking about breast preference and nazi kirk.

I'll take it if it means the thread lives, so congratulations are in order.

Yeah but I'd still like a serious discussion on Females in Games... without derailing it constantly.

Especially since games have sort of done a drastic shift lately with female characters who are sexual but who are in charge of their own sexuality so to speak.

While this isn't exactly new altogether, it has been occurring a lot lately.

As well Other M shown that, as a whole, the gaming community actually doesn't have the "women are helpless" notions they are often saddled with. As one of the major complaints of the game can really just boil down to "Why is Samus such a wreck all of a sudden?"

While at the same time because there is more room for narrative in games the sexist aspects of how it handles female characters is getting out more and more. As a large portion of stories that center around a female lead involve how she is vulnerable in a certain way (Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider).

Though the only reason I don't really complain about the "Break the character" narratives entirely is because frankly... they are underused for male protagonists. The last game that really just flat out tried to break down our male lead and make him cry was Heavy Rain. Don't get me wrong I don't mean where terrible things occur, I mean where the idea is that the character will just emotionally break down and cry.

[Xantalos]

While I haven't personally played it, it seems that it kinda took away from the power fantasy that's the point of shooter/action games, explaining it's bad reception on top of the horrible character assassination.

[Neonivek]

While I haven't personally played it, it seems that it kinda took away from the power fantasy that's the point of shooter/action games, explaining it's bad reception on top of the horrible character assassination.

Well here is sort of the thing. Other M would have worked well as a prequel.

The fact that it happens after a game where Samus is by all means already awesome. Means that the game deliberately makes her weak after two games where she showed herself to be competent and strong.

Which could be a good narrative in it of itself, afterall you can easily imagine Samus being sort of harrowed by her adventures through both Metroid and Super Metroid. She shouldn't be doing this mission or taking the call, but she has to anyway. She doesn't have time to get help and get better because her wellbeing isn't more important.

Yet the narrative of the game doesn't do a good job in justifying her sudden fragility nor expands upon her relationship with anyone else. Just "My baby died, ohh my Ridley sure is scary all of a sudden!"

She is bossed around Adam because not only does she trust his judgement, but to her he is like a father (ontop of the adopted father she already had. But really father figures aren't limited to one). Yet the game doesn't focus on their relationship within the construct of the game and doesn't give a reason as to why she would follow his orders beyond what would normally be acceptable.

As well to say she has PTSD is a fine assessment of the reasons why Samus is extra fragile in that game and on surface value that is fine as well. Yet it is how the game demonstrates this PTSD that gets in the way. She never has panic attacks in the middle of conversations (minus one), as well the fact that it can destabilize her armor is a sizable design flaw. The game's reasoning as to why she has PTSD that way can be summed up as "She is a woman, she experiences PTSD by becoming a vulnerable little girl". Which again would be fine if Other M was an exploration of her life story through this ship, possibly making a point that when her parents were killed she just kind of stopped and folded into herself and the PTSD sort of reverts her and that she needs to finally move forward.

I guess what I mean is.

Other M basically says "Samus is a woman" as an excuse that goes without saying.

[Boltgun]

I can't stomach how Samus went from a galaxy saving heroine that did not hesitate to risk her life to stop the space pirates to wearing a blue bodysuit with a whip. Smash bros killed the character.

To be honest, I like sexualized characters but when it is obviously made for short term marketing and not to serve a game's quality, this is not enjoyable.

[werty892]

[Cheeetar]

What do you mean to bring to the conversation by posting this image, Werty?

[Loud Whispers]

Werty's reposting the argument that blokes will be the main characters of so many vidyas because blokes are disposable and when awful things happen to them no one cares and all is well; but if it's a female character then it's a statement about women and then an infinite shitstorm is born.

[Cheeetar]

It would be a lot simpler if Werty were to say that himself.

[pisskop]

Is that the default condition of our society or the result of sensitizing and lobbyists?

[smjjames]

Is that the default condition of our society or the result of sensitizing and lobbyists?

Both?