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[than402]

togas and tunics exist as different clothing pieces. it may be just me, but when i read dress i imagine neither of these two, i imagine an old timey female dress.

[Urist Tilaturist]

Since dwarves wearing dresses do not suffer from movement penalties, we can guess that the garment is not too restrictive. A toga is a sheet of cloth folded over the body in a certain way, while a tunic can refer to anything from a dress-like garment to something that looks like a normal shirt.

Please define "old timey". Fashions were not constant from the dawn of civilisation to now.

[than402]

well... it may sound silly, but i mean victorian era dresses...

[Urist Tilaturist]

Way after 1400, the limit for the game's influences. Not nearly "old timey" enough.

Granted, many mediaeval dresses were also highly impractical for doing much, but the word "dress" can describe many different items of clothing. Since the DF dress covers all of a dwarf's legs we know it is long, but I more pictured a loose robe than a crinoline, since it does not impact dwarves' mobility.

[than402]

i did warn you it will sound silly. it's just as silly in my head, but since all other types of dress i can think of are separate, this is just the mental image that comes to me...

[Aslandus]

well... it may sound silly, but i mean victorian era dresses...

It's more likely some kind of sun dress where they can still move freely rather than a dress that required a crank to put on...

[Graknorke]

Might it be more like, uh.
The closest thing I can find a name for is a 'sundress'. Pretty much just a cylinder of fabric that's been made to fit on a person.

EDIT: Ninjad with same sentiment.

[Naryar]

The ancient Greeks and Romans never had any problems with men wearing dresses. Do not confuse dwarven culture with yours.

Togas, tunics and robes (and I have no issue with these) aren't dresses. When I see "dress" in DF, I assume a female-designed dress.

[Chief10]

When my population reaches a certain point - about 60 - I have women do all the work and put all the men in the army. Women are best left working because you don't want them to go into battle with their babies.

From a different thread.

Any one else see a problem with this?  It's not really cool that the women do ALL the work and the men hang around and wrestle with each other. 

Makes perfect sense, not blaming Deboche don't want babies going into battle.

I play this game extensively, and I have never, not once, had a baby killed in combat. I have had plenty of children get killed inside of my fortress by all manner of creatures, but never has a female soldier lost a baby while carrying it. As far as I can tell, if the female soldier gets killed, her baby just crawls away or hangs out until someone else picks it up.



Often times people enjoy using DF to create worlds which make them feel powerful, feel historical nostalgia, or otherwise peak their interest. If people choose to make sexist forts, they probably harbor similar prejudices in real life.

[smeeprocket]

The ancient Greeks and Romans never had any problems with men wearing dresses. Do not confuse dwarven culture with yours.

I have drafted female dwarves into marksdwarf or fortress guard squads before, but I never use them in close combat squads because of the tantrum-inducing effects of having babies smashed.

Yea, that seems like a legitimate reason to have gender exclusion in the military. I don't think it's really sexist.

I think it's more a matter of not wanting a tantrum spiral to happen.

I still am an equal opportunity conscriptor personally.

edit: Chief10, while I agree that's a possibility, I don't know if that is always the case.

I don't think this parallels but I was thinking about how, when I run the tabletop RPG call of cthulhu which parallels 1920s America with scifi horror elements, I make sexism in it a very big deal because it was, and female characters have to deal with that, though I also give them ways to get past or through that system and overcome it (which may not have been possible in real life.) I haven't attempted a game with a women or even man of color and I don't think I am equipped to properly run that scenario.

But then again, as an overseer in fortress mode, that's a different game entirely. And DF also doesn't parallel earth in any time period.

[Thisfox]

The only gender-thing that bothers me is when I see male dwarves wearing dresses or that kind of thing (loincloths, etc). Even though I'm just "what" and don't change anything, and hell if the dwarf is sufficiently badass he can wear anything. No one's going to mock the legendary axedwarf for wearing a dress.

...Huh. It could be a cultural thing (I'm from Oz) but I thought the loincloth was a MALE item of clothing. Like boxer shorts, or the like. I mean, in tasteful pictures 100 years ago, people would dress the so-called "savages" (more civilised than the Europeans, usually, but times were like that) in loincloths in order to make them look less naked than the "civilised" world could stand.

Loinclothes are male items of clothing, yes.

But they seem a bit both too "savage" and also too exhibitionist for a race that has bad thoughts for not wearing full clothing.

I don't think dwarves actually wear these. But it was an example, maybe poorly chosen.

A better example would be thongs. ahem.

{grin} And you know the opinion of any Aussie on THAT word  ;p 

Spoiler: thongs (click to show/hide)

He heheh. Heheheheh. The cultural differences of the different players of this widely varying game are going to come to the fore in very odd ways. When I first saw "spiked thong" on these forums, I honestly thought "ow, my poor feet" closely followed by "That doesn't seem like good footwear for a forge-type area". Then realised I had to translate out of American. Heh. This does explain why shoes, boots and sandals usually come in pairs from the trade caravan, but thongs, for some reason, don't.

[pisskop]

dress is a term to apply to asexual, loosefitting garments.

There would be gender differences, but men tuck dresses into their pants while women dont  The modern female dress is what some here think of as casual and formalwear, the male being tuxedo outfits in exreme cases, or any loose fitting and generous shirt that is worn for formal occasions.  they often have creases.

Id even consider that fluffly stuff Prince and co. wear a dress.

When DF says dress, I think of a nice shirt, to be overly simplistic.
 Pop culture be playing with our syntax. . .

[Naryar]

Well, as I see it, the difference between casual and formal wear in DF is how well-made the clothing article is and how well and expensively it is decorated ? Not the base cloth.

that makes masterwork adamantine chastity belts thongs, menacing with spikes of platinium a cloth fit for a king, and not necessarily a S/M one !

We need Word of Toad to see what a dress is in DF.

[Orange Wizard]

It's probably an item of clothing.

Seconding the gendered clothing idea, though.

...

Then realised I had to translate out of American.

Hang on, literally every other English-speaking country in the world agrees that a thong is not footwear.

[Aslandus]

I just discovered that my fortress can't make dresses (not considered a native item), so all the ladies are wearing trousers and tunics... so much for gendered clothing