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Author Topic: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.  (Read 1111 times)

ptb_ptb

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Everywhere this dwarf goes 40+ dogs swarm behind him, cluttering up the way for all the other dwarves.  He isn't assigned trainer for them anymore, and has animal training labor disabled. This feels like a bug to me, but I'm having trouble searching the bug tracker with appropriate terms. (follow trainer swarm pet ...).  If this is a known bug, could anybody post the link?

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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2014, 03:52:11 pm »

You may have assigned the animals to the dwarf, instead of just setting them up to be trained in the animal screen and having an appropriate pasture.  If so, I know of no way to remove the assignment without the death of the dwarf.

Normally, you assign an already trained animal to a soldier or hunter, depending.  This is done by (v-select dwarf-p-e), is this what happened?
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2014, 04:01:31 pm »

You may have assigned the animals to the dwarf, instead of just setting them up to be trained in the animal screen and having an appropriate pasture.

Nope. All war dogs are unassigned and listed as 'owner: Work Animal' on the animal screen. If they were assigned they would have been named and show the person they were assigned to in that column.



This is the dorf in question. Everywhere he goes, he's followed by a huge pack of dogs.
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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2014, 04:08:40 pm »

A lot of these bugs seam like really cool features to me and I hope they never get 'fixed' all of the dogs spending their time with a previous trainer even when the cruel over lord assigns him to endlessly haul back breaking stones from the mines.  That's not a bug that's a hallmark movie.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2014, 04:15:25 pm »

It may seem like a hallmark movie for now, but that trainer is going to have to meet an 'unfortunate accident' if this keeps up.
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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2014, 04:23:31 pm »

just assign the dogs, then they will go with new people and you won't have them all following one person.
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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2014, 04:27:13 pm »

just assign the dogs, then they will go with new people and you won't have them all following one person.
Yeah, but I don't want them following anyone. I want them to stay in their pastures.
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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2014, 06:35:18 pm »

Animals following the trainer has nothing to do with current assignments or the dwarf's jobs, it's an effect of relationships. If you look at the dwarf's relations, you might see a long list of dogs mentioned as "passing acquaintance" or somesuch. You can't look at it from the dogs' side, but they tend to view their trainer like a close relative.

Are only pastures acceptable or would the dogs serve their purpose if chained, too? You can just chain up watchdogs around critical passages. Alternatively, organise things so that the trainerdwarf rarely or never gets close to the pasture:i've only seen animals leave pastures to follow a dwarf they know if that dwarf actually came within vision range of the pasture.
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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2014, 07:17:02 pm »

They can be pastured, I can confirm(40.19), but you need someone to pasture them. That means if they don't go to catch the dogs, the dogs will remain at large.
Your pasture can also use a door.
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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2014, 03:52:22 am »

I've had that issue as well, several times. Strangely enough, no jobs to haul the straying war animals back to their pastures are generated. When it comes to dogs, firstly I keep them in an indoor pasture with a non pet-passable door (unless they are assigned to watch duty, which typically means locked in a 1 tile room with a grate overlooking a passage), and secondly, I don't care too much if they're running around. It was quite different with my war elephants, however, since the first one starved to death while straying, and the second one had to be slaughtered because it would otherwise suffer from the same fate.
I don't know what triggers animals to suddenly decide to abandon their pasture to follow their trainer. The first war elephant stayed on its pasture for several years before it suddenly decided to roam, though it might somehow been triggered by the training of the second elephant.
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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2014, 04:00:14 am »

Even those alpacas and geese can wander out of their pastures. My dorfs have to re-pasture them.
No, they are not scared by wild animals since I have a roof.

So I think it is a random thing, a reason why you need a door.

By the way, q the door then press o, it will keep most animals out.
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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2014, 05:15:38 am »

I don't think this is a question about straying animals (which generate hauling jobs to bring them back), but rather trained animals that decide to follow their trainer without any hauling job generated. Non pet-passable doors to pastures are helpful to keep straying down, but seem to have little effect on trainer following.
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Re: Dogs mobbing their (ex)trainer instead of staying in their pasture.
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2014, 06:57:42 am »

I'm using my war dogs as a "lazy dorf's army" so doors aren't appropriate - I want them to be able to swarm out and attack things when necessary. I've currently got all my (seven) dwarves working overtime on pasturing them to see how effective pastures can be.

[EDIT] After about a game year there are still 30 or so war dogs trailing him, and still pasture jobs queued up.
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