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[pisskop]

Maces are better for undead killing.

What makes maces better for killing undead though? Is there some magical thing about undead that makes them weak to maces? I really can't imagine anything that could be done in game that would make maces better against undead than hammers aside from Toady putting something into the code to specifically make them weaker. I'm completely open to the idea if it's true, I just don't see how it could be. Also as a reply to the person who posted right before the person who posted right before this (people are just posting constantly wow), whips are mainly good at piercing armor of a better material and better quality than them somehow. This is mostly useless for adventurer mode because unless you're going to try and fight the military of a fortress you made, armor is only very rarely worn and when it is it's just a breastplate and a helmet. Also yeah, misc objext user is the same skill for all nonweapons.

Foreign weapons, especially the human 2handers, are fantstic for massive carnage.  At the least, I would use them as trap components.  They can compare.  The huge size of them help make up for shoddy human craftsmanship.  And I've noticed a definite increase in potential quality since the release of 40.xx . . .

[Quartz_Mace]

Honestly, I wouldn't rely on whips because anything that can't feel pain will be a lot harder to kill with them.

[StagnantSoul]

98% of what you fight feels pain. Sure, whips are useless against amethyst men and bronze colossi, but that's about it.

[vjmdhzgr]

Maces are better for undead killing.

What makes maces better for killing undead though? Is there some magical thing about undead that makes them weak to maces? I really can't imagine anything that could be done in game that would make maces better against undead than hammers aside from Toady putting something into the code to specifically make them weaker. I'm completely open to the idea if it's true, I just don't see how it could be. Also as a reply to the person who posted right before the person who posted right before this (people are just posting constantly wow), whips are mainly good at piercing armor of a better material and better quality than them somehow. This is mostly useless for adventurer mode because unless you're going to try and fight the military of a fortress you made, armor is only very rarely worn and when it is it's just a breastplate and a helmet. Also yeah, misc objext user is the same skill for all nonweapons.

Foreign weapons, especially the human 2handers, are fantstic for massive carnage.  At the least, I would use them as trap components.  They can compare.  The huge size of them help make up for shoddy human craftsmanship.  And I've noticed a definite increase in potential quality since the release of 40.xx . . .

Dwarves can't wield the human two handed weapons. It's actually just impossible for them. They are probably good as trap weapons though I've heard about people using two handed swords in adventurer mode to amazing effect.

[StagnantSoul]

My steel artifact two hand sword cut an elephant's head off in two hits.

[vjmdhzgr]

My steel artifact two hand sword cut an elephant's head off in two hits.

Well a base quality iron short sword could do that if the dwarf was good enough. Also, how? Dwarves can't use two handed swords.

[StagnantSoul]

Adventure mode. It was my very first kill, starting as an average strength proficient swordsman.

[Bognor]

Because of higher contact area, a mace is more likely to pulp instead of break bones. Pulping is what puts zombies down fast. Hammers will kill them, just roughly two thirds as fast.

Maces are also twice the size, and hence twice the weight, of hammers.

[pisskop]

If anyone is interested, I think I nerfed whips enough.

Spoiler: Copper Trial survival (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: unarmoured, copper whip (click to show/hide)

Notice how she is not shredded to gibs, or completely unharmed.  I did notice that headshots seem to more frequently than not pierce the helmets, but I don't know if that's due to helmet thickness or some penalty.

and an iron whip on iron armor test sample log

Spoiler: Iron log sample (click to show/hide)

I'm also working on nerfing pain to acceptable levels via across the table pain receptor reduction.  So far it takes more than just one bone chip to knock somebody out, but all fights involving underwhelming force still see passing out.