All (who believe a 'God(s)' is real):
Where do your think your 'God(s)' came from originally? Was It simply 'always there', or was there an actual creation?
Here's my perspective (it's worth noting, in general, that I'm a liberal Methodist from a generally cynical and intelligent religious family):
John 1:1-3, in the Greek, reads "en arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos." (I can't find a decent online Greek Bible, sorry. Only the transliteration.)
"In the beginning was (the) reason, and (the) reason was with God, and (the) reason was God."
The Greek logos denotes thought or reason and speech. It seems to me that therefore God would be the first thing to exist. There can be no universe without reason. Reason is what brought the universe into being as something comprehensible. The internal thought, logos, became the external word, logos.
This is a little bit speculative, and I'm not sure it answers all of my own questions.
It's also worth noting that no version of the beginning of the universe escapes the old lady's "turtles all the way down."
Noting oneself as intelligent is the height of folly.
Mmm... Might bring more meaning to the Tower of Babel, since that was heavily involved with speech (I believe)
Another thing worth noting is that this could also suggest that God, in a way, came from 'Humans'. Rather, if we take humans as having a special kind of 'reason' then when the first human came to be, so did God, as God was with our minds within our minds, It
was our minds. Actually, holy crap (pardon the usage of 'holy' like that in a thread like this >_>),
epiphany! 'God' is actually our ability to think, decide, reason, etc. It's suggesting that 'God' was born
with the first human, they came into being
at the same time. Think of it this way, God 'created' humans, and what defines humans more than our logos? 'Adam' was created by God less in the literal sense and more in the sense that God is what
made Adam human.
Of course, this goes totally against normal teachings. It's still an
incredibly interesting take on just what God actually is. Hell, we can actually apply this theory to
nearly everything (that I can think of at the moment >_>) in the Bible. God being humankind's ability to reason, that is.
I guess that's another theory to add to my ever-growing list. Damn agnosticism. xD
In regards to the last part, I totally agree with that, hence this (part of a) post:
Even from a non-religious standpoint the creation of All That Is is a kind of an iffy topic. The true understanding that something has simply existed forever, or that something was simply created from true, utter nothingness is basically incomprehensible to humans. That the universe simply sprang from nothingness, or was always there, or that God sprang from nothingness then created the universe, or was always there and then created the universe, they are all equally impossible to comprehend. God just adds another factor into the equation.
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