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Re: Religion Questions Thread
« Reply #495 on: January 03, 2015, 02:58:57 pm »

if you place the turtles at an angle you could place the last turtle on top of the first

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« Reply #496 on: January 03, 2015, 03:03:23 pm »

Whoot, cyclical turtle theory has been born.
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« Reply #497 on: January 03, 2015, 03:13:55 pm »

That reminds me of this:

"...It was an age long past. It was an age to come. It was called by some the Third age..."

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« Reply #498 on: January 03, 2015, 03:17:12 pm »

Given this thread has two of the biggest Wheel of Time fans on the forums participating in it...
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« Reply #499 on: January 03, 2015, 03:18:34 pm »

All (who believe a 'God(s)' is real):
Where do your think your 'God(s)' came from originally? Was It simply 'always there', or was there an actual creation?

Here's my perspective (it's worth noting, in general, that I'm a liberal Methodist from a generally cynical and intelligent religious family):

John 1:1-3, in the Greek, reads "en arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos." (I can't find a decent online Greek Bible, sorry. Only the transliteration.)

"In the beginning was (the) reason, and (the) reason was with God, and (the) reason was God."

The Greek logos denotes thought or reason and speech. It seems to me that therefore God would be the first thing to exist. There can be no universe without reason. Reason is what brought the universe into being as something comprehensible. The internal thought, logos, became the external word, logos.

This is a little bit speculative, and I'm not sure it answers all of my own questions.

It's also worth noting that no version of the beginning of the universe escapes the old lady's "turtles all the way down."

Noting oneself as intelligent is the height of folly. ;D

Mmm... Might bring more meaning to the Tower of Babel, since that was heavily involved with speech (I believe)

Another thing worth noting is that this could also suggest that God, in a way, came from 'Humans'. Rather, if we take humans as having a special kind of 'reason' then when the first human came to be, so did God, as God was with our minds within our minds, It was our minds. Actually, holy crap (pardon the usage of 'holy' like that in a thread like this >_>), epiphany! 'God' is actually our ability to think, decide, reason, etc. It's suggesting that 'God' was born with the first human, they came into being at the same time. Think of it this way, God 'created' humans, and what defines humans more than our logos? 'Adam' was created by God less in the literal sense and more in the sense that God is what made Adam human.

Of course, this goes totally against normal teachings. It's still an incredibly interesting take on just what God actually is. Hell, we can actually apply this theory to nearly everything (that I can think of at the moment >_>) in the Bible. God being humankind's ability to reason, that is.

I guess that's another theory to add to my ever-growing list. Damn agnosticism. xD

In regards to the last part, I totally agree with that, hence this (part of a) post:

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Even from a non-religious standpoint the creation of All That Is is a kind of an iffy topic. The true understanding that something has simply existed forever, or that something was simply created from true, utter nothingness is basically incomprehensible to humans. That the universe simply sprang from nothingness, or was always there, or that God sprang from nothingness then created the universe, or was always there and then created the universe, they are all equally impossible to comprehend. God just adds another factor into the equation.
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« Reply #500 on: January 03, 2015, 03:28:50 pm »

Me, intelligent? Pfft. No, my family is all much smarter than me and I crib notes off them about everything. I was observing that questioning everything is a trait of my family.

Also, I mentioned reasoning as how we can be in the image of a metaphysical concept a while ago, but my phrasing was poor enough to help derail the thread.
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« Reply #501 on: January 03, 2015, 03:31:08 pm »

Well, I've decided this new epiphany of insight is how I'm going to interpret all the Christian stuff from now on, the thought that God is literally the 'mind' (in some sense, at least). ;D

I've never really liked the idea of humans physically looking like God, to be honest. Our form is so imperfect, it doesn't seem to fit the normal image of It.
Then again, with this new line of thought, I can actual reason it.
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« Reply #502 on: January 03, 2015, 03:53:09 pm »

All people:

According to your respective religions, what is the meaning of life?

The Church of the SubGenius teaches that life is an enormous cosmic joke.
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Re: Religion Questions Thread
« Reply #503 on: January 03, 2015, 03:55:13 pm »

All people:

According to your respective religions, what is the meaning of life?

The Church of the SubGenius teaches that life is an enormous cosmic joke.
What's the punchline, then?
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« Reply #504 on: January 03, 2015, 04:04:23 pm »

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« Reply #505 on: January 03, 2015, 04:10:17 pm »

So if I want to stab someone, I should? That'd be the path of least resistance.

Also, please don't garble your posts like that. It doesn't add anything.
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« Reply #506 on: January 03, 2015, 04:13:57 pm »

All people:

According to your respective religions, what is the meaning of life?

The Church of the SubGenius teaches that life is an enormous cosmic joke.
What's the punchline, then?

There is no punchline. It's completely deadpan black comedy.

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« Reply #507 on: January 03, 2015, 04:16:19 pm »

So if I want to stab someone, I should? That'd be the path of least resistance.

Also, please don't garble your posts like that. It doesn't add anything.

Totally objectively? Yes. If you're following a certain school of thought, at least. Of course, one should take into account... Other things.
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« Reply #508 on: January 03, 2015, 04:20:48 pm »

I'm going to be honest
If I wasn't Christian I believe the meaning of life is to reproduce, I mean if nothing made us and we're all animals then I guess we all have the same purpose as those rabits over there
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« Reply #509 on: January 03, 2015, 04:28:34 pm »

I'm going to be honest
If I wasn't Christian I believe the meaning of life is to reproduce, I mean if nothing made us and we're all animals then I guess we all have the same purpose as those rabits over there
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Ah, "the selfish gene".

One of the most liberating insights that I ever feel I attained was that life did not need to have any inherent reason, save for what we made for ourselves. The trouble with words like "purpose", "meaning" and "reason" is that they are so anthropogenically loaded they almost dominate the thought processes which lead on from such postulations.
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