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I like it better than the last one

It's good, but I don't see the need with the discussion thread

It's not going to go anywhere good, just lock it now.

[Sheb]

Who's responsible for your ROTC training? Because if it's a state curriculum, that's NK level of brainwashing there.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

JROTC, forgot the junior part
The US military IIRC, its two former airforce sergeants (however you spell that) teaching the course.

[Magistrum]

I would like to ask 4maskwolf.

Do the Catholic Church considers the wine and bread commemoration literally as eating jesus flesh and blood?

Just repeating...
Also I ask Helgoland (is he answering?) what is transsubstantiation?

[Arx]

I'll violate at least one thread rule (as a Methodist) and answer those:

Transsubstantiation is the doctrine that the sacrament becomes the body and blood of Christ.

That is literal and figurative. The 'substance' of the sacrament becomes the body and blood, but the 'species' remains bread and wine.

[Magistrum]

Thanks, now I understand, changes group but not civ...
I do find that to be wrong tought, reading the bible has led to believe that it was just plain wine and bread, a piece of foreboding on the blood he would give as price for humanity. Figurative language if you will.

[Arx]

That's my belief as well. It's a reminder to Christians as well, to remember His sacrifice.

[Magistrum]

Yes, that's a important point, he told us to keep doing it in his memory, and we wouldn't have his blood and flesh readly avaliable for long, so it must be regular wine and regular bread, or else we wouldn't be able to do it.

[Vilanat]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Why the comment of WMD's in Iraq being untrue? He wasn't lieing that they had them, the reason we didn't find them is because Iraq (acctually more accurately) Alqueda gave them to (seria IIRC) for safe keeping and who just so happened to have WMDs later on. Oh that's right Seria. The country that started gassing their own people. Sorry if this comes across as angry... And on a tangent...

On Jesus, if nothing else I still hold my faith that he existed.

An hypothetical question: if you had discovered beyond any doubt that Jesus never existed, would it make you doubt your religion?

[Helgoland]

Also I ask Helgoland (is he answering?) what is transsubstantiation?

What Arx said

I do find that to be wrong tought, reading the bible has led to believe that it was just plain wine and bread, a piece of foreboding on the blood he would give as price for humanity. Figurative language if you will.

Well, he was quite plain about it: 'This is my flesh', 'This is my blood'. Pretty heavy-handed for figurative speech, especially considering that it has no rhetoric effect. If we accept the bible as source material, it must be something more than a mere symbol.

[Tack]

On the topic of Just War, I could only imagine the level of destruction there would be if the world used the 'eye for an eye' theory.
If the current superpowers were utterly unconcerned with innocent and civilian casualties, they could use the 'terrorist threat' to start a religious persecution of a size not seen since WWII- if not the 1600's.

[Helgoland]

On the topic of Just War, I could only imagine the level of destruction there would be if the world used the 'eye for an eye' theory.

That's a common misunderstanding: 'Eye for an eye' is meant to restore the balance of justice, precisely in order to /prevent/ the kind of blood feud-like behaviour you refer to.
Most of the time the actual eye-removal was replaced by monetary compensation anyway.

[Bohandas]

Were the early Christians catholic?
I ask because you said canibal, the other side of Christianity (Protestant?) doesn't do the bread and wine ceremony the same way.

They were, actually. Go look up the definition of 'Catholic' sometime - it doesn't mean Roman-Catholic. And since the Roman-Catholic Church is the immediate descendant of the early Church and the pope the successor of St. Peter, one could even argue that they were - in a very loose sense - Roman-Catholic. They certainly believed in transsubstantiation in any case: That particular bit of dogma was only thrown out when the reformation came around.

The early church had many sects whose beliefs were radically  different fr0m roman catholicism until the roman emperor constantine demanded that they agree upon a single generic denomination.

[chaoticag]

If you wanna get technical about it, it'd be the Orthodox church I suppose? Until the Great Schism it was all one church until the bishop of Rome declared himself pope and the Pope and the Patriarch both excommunicated each other. Fun times.

[TD1]

And thus, the Wycliffe movement was born.

[Baffler]

And then there's these folks.