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[ptb_ptb]

I'm a cheating cheater.

Woops, forgot you can only have one retired character per site.

What, really?

I'm ending my turn now without doing anything or making a rule because I just accidentally deleted ptb_ptb's character when I retired at the same location.

My character died at the end of my last turn. Did you keep your save?

[Tacomagic]

I do have the save.  I got a strange message to the effect of "All other data at this site will be erased" when I saved that I don't remember seeing before.  I remembered something about multiple heroes not allowed to retire at the same place so I assumed that was what the message meant.  I might be getting confused with an older bug, though.  Quite possible, there have been so many over the years.

Yes, I still have the save.  I'll post it up shortly along with the new rule I was cooking up.

[ptb_ptb]

I'm a cheating cheater.

Yes, I still have the save.  I'll post it up shortly along with the new rule I was cooking up.

Well, my (dead) dwarf started from the original dwarf fortress. There is a hero out in a human town somewhere, I think. I'll have a look at your save, if there are two heroes left around then you should be fine. (Clarification: Your hero + One other)

I look forward to seeing your adventurer's journal (if you did one).

[Tacomagic]

Rule #6: Kobold Rule part 1:  EVER'BODY KOBOLDS!  On your next (or first if you are just starting) turn that you play in adventure mode, you must make and play a kobold and keep the name handy.  Try and keep this kobold alive because it will become important to future rules.  If the kobold dies, you must create a new one during your next adventure turn.  If you plan to play fortress mode, you do not need to create a kobold that turn.

The save file has been adjusted to allow playable kobolds without extinction of all other civilizations in accordance with this rule.  Kobold outsiders have also been enabled.




You see a small plank of wood with curious scratching on it.  It catches your interest enough to pick it up, but it isn't until later, during your class on the history of Kobolds, that you realize what you have.  It is the record of one Drukubeekus, last Kobold of Puzzleshaft.  The translation of the artifact is as follows:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Cold Day,



Drukubeekus wake up and no others there.  Beekus look, but none around.

Later cold day,



None in cave hole. 





Go into caverns and only find mole. Mole tasty, so Beekus kill and eat some.



Troll down here too.  Avoid so not dead.

Find big rat too, Beekus not hungry, but kill and save for later.  Decide to head back to cave.  Maybe others back.



Cave still empty, Beekus obviously last left.  Wonder what happen.  Probably dwarf.  They mean.

Much later cold day,



Dark soon, so climb tree. 



Sleep now.

Cold day,

Morning.  Stiff from tree sleep.  Find moving water for drink and eat more mole.  Tasty tasty.



Go toward sun and find place of mean dwarfs.  Decide stop and see.  Maybe kill some, maybe find others living here instead of cave hole, maybe take shiny stuff.



Beekus not sure how he end up here.



Find stinkies inside.  Beekus laugh at joke later.



Dwarfs nice to Beekus. Strange. Worry later.  First ask trade for shinies.  Maybe ask about others after.

They have no shinies. Beekus instead decide he make self king of dwarfs. 



Dwarfs seem okay with Beekus king.  Beekus stay and be king until days not cold.

Post-Retire save here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10246

There were 2 heroes with this one, so it looks like we're fine.  I probably just misunderstood what the game was saying.  I was profoundly tired last night when I did this, so it's likely my addled brain misinterpreted the warning message.

[ptb_ptb]

I'm a cheating cheater.

Interesting.

BTW, you broke line 5 of the first post.
I'll allow it, though, because it wasn't written in red.

[Tacomagic]

Yeah, it seemed a statement of what the game is based on and not a rule because you said this:

Rules can affect anything except the big three red laws.

Gotta be careful when using that particular word around me.  I pushed that pretty much as far as I thought I could get away with. I'm a stinker that way .

I know the primary goal of this succession game is to flush out bugs, so if you need to reset the game to before I modded the files, go for it.  That said, it's a pretty mild mod (2 tokens on the kobold entity) so it shouldn't effect the bug you were seeing at all.  It also doesn't alter underlying mechanics since kobolds become playable anyway when all the civs are dead.  As I said, pushed it just about as far as I thought I could get away with.

[ptb_ptb]

I'm a cheating cheater.

Haha, no don't worry about it. Actually, I played through some fortress building on a new clean world gen and got a good set of examples for the bug 'closest to my heart'. Namely, the Unretired fortress crashes after some game days bug. So I'm not so bothered now. I am living in hopes that DF 0.40.21 will be a 'bug fix' update, in which case it is quite likely to be addressed then. (It probably won't be fixed in DF 0.40.20 which is more of a functionality update).

[ptb_ptb]

I'm a cheating cheater.

Summary: Many goods sent to king. Retired with 70 or so dwarves in residence. Useful target for kobold thievery.

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51 Late Autumn 27th Timber

We arrived on the last-but one day of Fall. In accordance with our king's wishes we make a tribute of 10,000 urists times the number of years the fortress has existed. As of today the fortress has existed Zero days, or Zero years for a total tribute of Zero times 10,000. I shout out loud "I hereby pay the sum of Zero Urists in full to my King."

Winter arrives.

We tunnel out a small space underground for sleeping, and build platforms out around the volcano for storage and workspace.

Spring arrives.

The elven caravan arrives, and we trade for some food and clothes.

Summer arrives.

The human caravan arrives, and we trade for food and cloth. A few migrants arrive

Autumn arrives.

We hand over goods worth an estimated 13,200 Urists for the (nearly) one year our fortress has existed. I only have time to do a little trading after that.



Some migrants arrive.

Winter arrives

A giant coati wanders through the middle of the camp. It leaves us alone, so we leave it alone. It wanders away with an iron helmet. I say let it have it, I'm not going to argue.

Spring arrives.

The lack of water is proving to be troublesome as two dwarves have been injured. One dies. An elven caravan arrives, they have little of value. The first artifact of the fortress is made. It's a silver warhammer! That should prove most useful to some hero. At this point I think my fortress is mostly safe. We run out of logs. I let the woodcutters leave the fortress. It's a risk, but we need the wood.

Summer arrives.

The human caravan arrives. I buy lots and lots of food. Some migrants arrive.

Autumn arrives.

The trickiest thing now is keeping everybody busy doing something useful. The dwarf caravan arrives. I hand over the tribute for this year, 20,000 Urists worth and for next year in advance, 30,000. The total offering is a little higher - estimated as 55,440



Winter arrives.

It is time to delve, deep. A cavern is found a long, long, way underground. Along the way we find some tetrahedrite and some casserite. Now we can make bronze! Iron would be nice, but we'll just have to keep trading for steel. We have a mayor now. Time to make some more furniture.

Spring arrives.

An elven caravan arrives. I prepare an underground area for farming and fishing. A forgotten beast arrives. For the moment it seems happy chasing crundles. I hope I will get the cavern walled off before it finishes them.

There are only two crundles left. Where is that mason? Wow. That was lucky, it just walked right past the stairway up to kill a troll.

Summer arrives.

My dwarves have a death wish. They keep going to pick up stuff and getting killed by the beast. I forbid everything there and finally it wanders off after killing 8 or so dwarves. I trade some stuff with the human caravan then decide to quit while I'm ahead and resign. The next mug can deal with things from here on.

RULE #7: All kobold adventurers must be generated with at least 20% of skill points spent on ambush.

Save file: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10250

[Salmeuk]

The save file doesn't seem to work for me, perhaps you could upload the whole game folder?

[ptb_ptb]

I'm a cheating cheater.

The save file doesn't seem to work for me, perhaps you could upload the whole game folder?

Reuploaded with complete game included.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10250

[Tacomagic]

Well, since it's been a few days, I figure I'll download it and continue the tale of Drukubeekus.  Give me 24 hours and I'll have something to post.

If somebody beats me to it, fair play to them  .

UPDATE:  Going to be a smidgen longer than anticipated.  Hit a bug while playing and spent a bunch of time tracking it down.  Actually, the turn is done I just have to do all the image editing and get the post put together and the save uploaded.  It's way too late to do that now, so I'll tackle it in the morning.

[Tacomagic]

With the collapse of their 'civilization', the remaining kobolds have struck out into the world looking for something to do.  Since they work for nearly free due to their love of discarded socks, shirts, and other worn clothing, the Dwarves have been more than happy to employ them as trappers, scouts, rangers, and light-duty military grunts.  This leads to the next rule:

Rule #8 - Kobold Rule #3: Kobolds for Hire! The savvy overseer can reduce their tribute by using a kobold for hire to do important (and unimportant) jobs for the Mountainhome.  See below. 

The kills on your mandatory kobold adventurer reduce your tribute as follows: 

• Each non-noteworthy (animal) kill reduces the base tribute* value by 10.
• Each kill of an evil or dwarven-war sentient (goblins, other non-PC kobolds, bandits, war targets, etc) reduces base tribute by 100.
• Each kill of non-zombie, non-werebeast night creature reduces tribute by 250.
• Each kill of a werebeast or zombie reduces tribute by 500.
• Each kill of a Semi-megabeast reduces tribute by 1,000.
• Each kill of a mega-beast, titan, or forgotten beast reduces tribute by 2,500.
• If you can kill a demon with a kobold and have that kobold live, you no longer have to pay tribute.

           

Notes: These kills must appear on their kill list or they do not count (barring any bug where something does not appear on the list).  You may utilize multiple kobold adventurers and combine their kill lists if you want to spread the work around.  Should a Kobold die at any point, you lose all tribute reduction tied to that kobold.  Killing non-combatant dwarves or their peaceful civilized neighbors will flag the Kobold as evil and all tribute reduction associated with that kobold is lost.

*Base tribute is the multiplied yearly value.  So, if your kobold kills 1 goblin and 10 animals (A reduction of 200), your base tribute would become 9,800.  Thus you pay 9,800 times the year of the fort.


The translation of the wooden artifact containing the records of Drukubeekus, last Kobold of Puzzleshaft continues:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Warm Day,


Beekus like being king of dwarfs, but also bored.  Beekus find fun.


Before Beekus leave, he let dwarf know who boss.  He understand.


Also ask him for fun.


There bleak hag Od.  Name easy, so go kill.  Sadly, dwarf not know where Od.  Find later.


Beekus get lost trying to get out.  Happen every time.  But, Beekus stumble upon pile of shinies while lost!


Beekus find nice smushy thing!  Nobody want sell it, so Beekus take.


Beekus also find king.  Spare for when Beekus out?

Warm Wet Day,

Beekus spend many day training.  Strong now.  Good swim, throw, climb, and sneak.  Now train fight with animals.


Beekus have hard day.  Many alligator.  Beekus tired and hurt, sleep in tree.

Warm Day,


Beekus find black diamond snake. Beekus wrestle it!


Beekus find bird.  Scary large.  Run away for now.


Later, Beekus find one-horns.  Beekus run again, no want be eaten.



Beekus sad.  He lose finger to Emu battle.  Beekus won, but still miss finger.  Beekus find tree to sleep.

Warm Day,

Beekus feel better.  Go out hunting more.  Practice more smushy.


Beekus stronger, tired, hurt.  He go home.


End of day.  Before Beekus takes rest, he look for more shiny.


Beekus have good day.  Still miss finger.

Post-retire save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10269

[ptb_ptb]

I'm a cheating cheater.

Kobold adventurer turn continuing. Score so far: One peregrine falcon. (lol)

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Munchkinus am name Munchkinus. Munchkinus mum sayed Munchkinus special. Munchkinus no see munchkinus dad. Munchkinus head hurt so munchkinus drink till head no hurt.



Munchkinus drink more. Munchkinus claim all Puzzleshaft!


Joke on Munchkinus. Puzzleshaft empty hole in ground. Munchkinus sad now. Munchkinus member Munchkinus mum say Munchkinus dad swan. Munchkinus think Munchkinus mum drink bad fungus beer.



Munchkinus see stone building in distance. Munchkinus much sneaky. Sneak nice things from stone place. Munchkinus go toward morning sun.

Munchkinus find pointy in bird. Think pointy stab good.


Sneaky-sneaky-sneak stabz!

Munchkinus good think. Pointy stab real goodz.

Munchkinus talk dwarf. Hear tale of kobold.

Munchkinus not believe. Dwarf is lyer. Munchkinus joke good.

Dwarf talk much much but no tell where things. Munchkinus confused. Munchkinus member Munchkinus mum say he born after smelly rain. Munchkinus think mum smoke bad fungus.

Munchkinus walk long. See big birdy. Pointy too small. Munchkinus too small. Munchkinus leave.


Munchkinus sleep on cold rock. Miss straw. Miss home. 'Member mum sayed Munchkinus pop out of Munchkinus mum head when hit axe. Muchkinus think sniff bad fungus powder.

[Tacomagic]

Score so far: One peregrine falcon.

After all that, I'd completely forgotten to look at Dukubeekus' kill list.  Probably around 20 given all the wildlife he tormented during his training.  I'll have to load up the save and take a look.

Also, something odd I discovered when training blunt: If you crush/pulp something and the target survives the resulting blood loss, you can keep attacking that same spot with very little chance of actually killing it.  I trained Beekus up to Master Mace by doing that with whatever I could find that would survive the initial pulping of a limb.

I think it's related to the bugs where pulped parts can still be recognized as functional (and eventually heal while retaining immunity to being pulped a second time).

I'm going to experiment with pulping a limb and then stabbing it repeatedly to see if pulping first makes it immune to causing more bleeding.  Seemed to be the case with additional blunt attacks, but didn't mix blunt and piercing.

[ptb_ptb]

Also, something odd I discovered when training blunt: If you crush/pulp something and the target survives the resulting blood loss, you can keep attacking that same spot with very little chance of actually killing it.

Yep. I've read that before. Hmm, it looks rather like this bug. But that is supposed to be fixed.