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[smeeprocket]

Okay so here

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145860.0

there was a discussion about more in-depth brewing. But for now it is in stasis, and I really just want the various fermented products and not more complex brewing.

I was thinking about implementing tea plants that can only grow in certain biomes, but don't grow there naturally, instead, they have to be imported from the elves. (I hate elves as much as the next dwarf but this seems most appropriate.)

The elves could provide a number of teas that could be used to make different forms of kombucha and puerh.

Milk could now be brewed to make kefir.

I was thinking dwarven syrup could be used to make tibicos.

All of these are fermented, so could technically fall under alcoholic (since the only liquids are alcohols and water) though in real life the alcohol present is so minimal that I practically inhale kombucha while having pancreatitis, and it isn't a threat to me.

Any advice on additions or what different types of kombucha etc could be used would be awesome.

I am going to try and figure this out while asking less questions, because the last mod I did I pretty much had to have others do it for me. But I am certainly open to advice.

[Kazymir]

I am totally on-board with this topic, although I'm afraid I don't have much expertise. What about teas made from the DF specific plants?

[samanato]

Apparently some kumis historically reached the alcohol content of light beers.

Of course since default brewing comes from stills, the alcohol could be destilled from fermented milk instead (a mongolian practice). It supposedly tastes awful (read: dwarven)

[smeeprocket]

I'm going to look at some of the plant mods (I believe Pisskop has a plant mod for different plants) and see how they can be added, and if I can keep them from growing naturally. I want them to only be available through import, but then be growable on plots.

There's no easy way to ferment the milk before brewing it, I'm going to go with straight up milk to the still, because the whole fermentation process apparently magically happens there, hehe.

[smeeprocket]

mm, actually, I think elves will only use fruit, and not kill any plants, even smaller ones. SO elves aren't a good vessel for trading.

It might be that having them gathered or getting them from humans maybe, would be the preferable methods. As elven as tea sounds.

[Featheredragon]

Kumis is actually pretty good, tastes almost like an ale. The version I had used beer yeast and unpasteurized goat milk so I don't know if it would be different with other types of milk.

 Maybe have a reaction that turns milk into a custom plant and brew that into an alcohol? Gonna have to try this...

*"Kumis is a dairy product similar to kefir, but is produced from a liquid starter culture, in contrast to the solid kefir "grains".

[samanato]

I would actually brew the milk to kumis directly in that reaction. Since caravans bring the liquid in full barrels, may be better to produce one drink for one unit of milk.

The distillation of kumis is called arkhi, which is the awful cheese-tasting stuff.

[smeeprocket]

Any idea as to what biomes tea plants would best grow in? That is something I'm a little stuck on.

What we have now is

-puerh, tea based
-kombucha, tea based
-tibicos, either syrup, or preferably sweet pod based. This might require sweetpods to be milled and a sugar product to be produced. Alternately, I could make sugar cane and make it millable, then either cookable as a complimentary ingredient the way that milk and dwarven syrup are or brewable.
-Kefir or kumis, milk based. I don't think it would need to be turned into a plant to be brewed, though. Milk should be brewable directly. It's currently a non-consumable food, and doesn't count as a liquid. kumis should be only horse or yak milk. Kefir would be cow goat or sheep milk.

Other potentials: tonto or Mbege (bananas,) Gouqi jiu (goji berry,) nijiamanche (manioc,) pulque (agave,) neera (toddy palms,) dadih (buffalo milk,) chal (camel milk,) and absinthe or purl (wormwood)

There's about a billion other fermented milk products we could use the other herd animals' milk for. I can't think of all possible mammals that can be milked off the top of my head, though.

[samanato]

Banana beer is in the vanilla raws, and wolfberry could follow the same model as the other wine-producing berries.

Extracting sap to make palm-wine (and even maple-wine and birch-wine) would be nice, although at the present tapping tree-sap isn't yet a thing. The closest thing I can think, is making the sap into a glob "growth" on the trunk of the tree, harvestable at certain times of the year, which you could brew at the still.

[smeeprocket]

I would actually brew the milk to kumis directly in that reaction. Since caravans bring the liquid in full barrels, may be better to produce one drink for one unit of milk.

The distillation of kumis is called arkhi, which is the awful cheese-tasting stuff.

hmm so it can be made into a beer or a spirit. We could make horse's milk produce the beer, and yak's milk produce the spirit.

Yea I was thinking the sap would be gathered from the trees if plant gathering was selected over its area. Globs aren't really moveable if they just sit around without a container though. That one might be too much, I want to keep this simple.

agave plants would probably just be harvested outright though, even though the nectar is the part you use. (though I don't think you harvest the entire plant irl)

[Button]

-puerh, tea based

A quick note on puerh.

Puerh is "fermented tea", but it's not alcoholic. You ferment the dry leaves, not a moist mixture. Instead of creating alcohol, it creates an earthy flavor - it's more like compost than like wine.

You could conceivably create puerh kombucha, but normal puerh isn't alcoholic.

[smeeprocket]

-puerh, tea based

A quick note on puerh.

Puerh is "fermented tea", but it's not alcoholic. You ferment the dry leaves, not a moist mixture. Instead of creating alcohol, it creates an earthy flavor - it's more like compost than like wine.

You could conceivably create puerh kombucha, but normal puerh isn't alcoholic.

ahh thank you for the clarification!

[smeeprocket]

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[PLANT:GREEN TEA] camellia sinensis
   [NAME:grean tea plant][NAME_PLURAL:green tea plants][ADJ:green tea]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
      [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:DRINK_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:DRINK]
      [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SEED_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:SEED]
   [BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
   [DRY][BIOME:ANY_TROPICAL][BIOME:ANY_TEMPERATE]
   [VALUE:2]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:DRINK:PLANT_ALCOHOL_TEMPLATE]
      [STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen green tea kombucha]
      [STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:green tea kombucha]
      [STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling green tea kombucha]
      [MATERIAL_VALUE:4]
      [DISPLAY_COLOR:6:0:0]
      [PREFIX:NONE]
   [DRINK:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:DRINK]
   [SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:LEAF:LEAF_TEMPLATE]
      [STATE_COLOR:ALL:GREEN]
      [DISPLAY_COLOR:2:0:0]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SEED:SEED_TEMPLATE]
      [MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
      [EDIBLE_VERMIN]
      [EDIBLE_COOKED]
   [SEED:green tea plant seed:green tea plant seeds:0:0:1:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:SEED]
   [FREQUENCY:50]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [PREFSTRING:-beer]
   [GROWTH:LEAVES]
      [GROWTH_NAME:green tea leaf:green tea leaves]
      [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:LEAF]
      [GROWTH_DENSITY:1000]
      [GROWTH_PRINT:0:6:2:0:0:ALL:1]

okay this is what I have for green tea. So some of these tags I don't understand.

I've bolded what I don't get, and for the colors, I don't know how to change them or what the options are.

If someone could explain those to me.

edit: It also looks like green and black tea are from the exact same plant, just different prep. So I am wondering how to separate the two.

[Button]

All "real" tea is from the same species of plant. But, you can have a lot of variation within a species - cabbage and cauliflower are the same species, too. So, there are different cultivars of tea bush, which can then be made into different teas even within a given type. Even from the same cultivar, the time of picking can make a big difference: for example, yu qian an ji bai cha differs from ming qian an ji bai cha are green teas picked from the same cultivar of bush grown in the same area. They differ only in that the one is picked a couple weeks earlier than the other. But their tastes are distinct.

Then there's soil quality. There's a whole category of oolongs called "rock oolongs" which are grown in a particularly mineral-rich (rocky) mountain soil. They have a different flavor and mouthfeel than similar teas grown elsewhere. It doesn't work well for the other tea preparation types, which is why you don't hear about rock green teas.

Then there are "herbal teas" - AKA infusions, or tisanes. These are drinks made by boiling plant parts in water, but they aren't technically tea. Think white chocolate.

The different preparations of tea are what I'm going to be doing in my hard brewing mod eventually, but if you just want a tea alcohol for the purpose of having tea, I'd just brew it raw, call it "kombucha," and only have the one variety.

[smeeprocket]

All "real" tea is from the same species of plant. But, you can have a lot of variation within a species - cabbage and cauliflower are the same species, too. So, there are different cultivars of tea bush, which can then be made into different teas even within a given type. Even from the same cultivar, the time of picking can make a big difference: for example, yu qian an ji bai cha differs from ming qian an ji bai cha are green teas picked from the same cultivar of bush grown in the same area. They differ only in that the one is picked a couple weeks earlier than the other. But their tastes are distinct.

Then there's soil quality. There's a whole category of oolongs called "rock oolongs" which are grown in a particularly mineral-rich (rocky) mountain soil. They have a different flavor and mouthfeel than similar teas grown elsewhere. It doesn't work well for the other tea preparation types, which is why you don't hear about rock green teas.

Then there are "herbal teas" - AKA infusions, or tisanes. These are drinks made by boiling plant parts in water, but they aren't technically tea. Think white chocolate.

The different preparations of tea are what I'm going to be doing in my hard brewing mod eventually, but if you just want a tea alcohol for the purpose of having tea, I'd just brew it raw, call it "kombucha," and only have the one variety.

yea I wanted a few different types of kombucha. I am looking at doing white and black now, even though white tea isn't usually brewed into kombucha. I just want a bit of variety.