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Professional proofreading/editing job - Where should I start?
« on: November 28, 2014, 11:39:53 pm »

I've got a wealth of experience, good skills, solid instincts, and a burning passion for anything proofreading- or editing-related. So I'm making this thread to ask anyone if they know where would be a good place to start, whether I can make money doing online proofreading/editing from home and, if so, which sites and companies to look for, etc. The more advice I get for this, the better. Anyone who actually has real experience doing this would be ideal.

In general, what do most paying companies/organizations look for when hiring a proofreader/editor? Years of prior or current service in a related job? College education? Solid resume? How long are the lines for these sorts of positions, on average (is it a very competitive market)?

KEY: I'm not necessarily looking into this as a full-time career just yet, but I would like to know at least enough information to get me started on it as some sort of side income. I've got an absurd amount of free time at the moment, so I just need something productive to do with it, and I immediately thought of one of the things I'm both good at and passionate about. So any tips on how to make money doing this would be appreciated. Thanks.

(For locality/demographic information relative to colleges/companies/internet, I live in central Illinois, USA, just an hour's drive east of St. Louis.)

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Re: Professional proofreading/editing job - Where should I start?
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2014, 07:18:47 am »

Anyone who actually has real experience doing this would be ideal.

I suppose that would be me. 

I apologize, but I'm having a difficult time not turning this into an angry ten page rant about the state of the industry. But since you don't actually care about any of that and just want to make some money on the side, I suggest you sign up with a third party provider like elance and be prepared to engage in bidding wars against 300,000 other people who've also "got a wealth of experience, good skills, solid instincts, and a burning passion for anything proofreading- or editing-related" competing for the 20 or so jobs that are  posted on a typical day.

Incidentally, "got" is past tense of "get." As in, "to receive." I believe the word you were looking for was present tense: "have." "I've got a wealth of experience"  basically means "in the past I have come into the possession of a wealth of experience, independent of whether I continue to have that experience at the present time." Which is clearly not what you meant.

But don't let that stop you. These days, any stay at home mom and ESL Indian willing to work for $10/hr is more marketable than a guy with ten years of industry experience, who's worked in every step of the process from manually loading printers the size of trucks with crates of paper, to light proofreading, to formal substantive copy editing, to newspaper physical layout, to pre-print production, layout and formatting, to copy writing both with and without accompanying graphic design, to electronic formats and e-book conversion,...and who incidentally also wrote an in-house technical manual for a fortune 100 mortgage company, has his name attached to nine published novels, built the website for a publishing company and was a badged member of the press for almost two years.

Oh dear.  It seems that the bitterness is creeping in again. That's obviously not helping you. I apologize. I'll try to reign it in.

Sure, you can work at home for peanuts. Everybody else is, so why not?

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How long are the lines for these sorts of positions, on average (is it a very competitive market)?

For online bidding, 10-30 bids per project is common. Depends on the job requirements and pay. For something especially good, you might have 60+ competitors. For something not-so-good, you might only have three or four.If you mean real life jobs at brick and mortar locations where you physically go in and sit in an on-site office, it's 100 applicants per single position, and none of them are hired because the position is filled by a friend of a friend before the ad reaches circulation. And I do mean that literally. Very often when you see a job listing the position was filled before the listing was published. But HR policy requires that all jobs be posted, so they do.

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In general, what do most paying companies/organizations look for when hiring a proofreader/editor? Years of prior or current service in a related job? College education? Solid resume? How long are the lines for these sorts of positions, on average (is it a very competitive market)?

Nobody cares. There just aren't enough jobs and too many people who want them. Even with my background, I've applied for staff positions at newspapers and magazines and I don't usually even get a form letter in reply. And in your case, talking about entry level proofreading positions...it's pretty much hopeless. It's too easy to submit a job to online middle-men like elance and amazon turk. If you're familiar with HTML, CSS and google analytics, know SEO basics and are willing to pretend that "must know wordpress" is an actual job skill rather than something that any idiot can pick up in an hour, you might be able to find some $10/hr work here and there on craigslist. But be prepared to respond to 20 ads for every ad that isn't a scam or an "unpaid internship."

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I'm not necessarily looking into this as a full-time career

That's probably a wise decision.

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Go ahead and try elance. See if you like it. Just be prepared to do some fairly miserable low paying jobs to build up your reputation. Also be sure you understand how escrow works, don't work for free and don't be surprised if sometimes you submit bids to projects that never actually happen for no obvious reason. If you want to work online from the convenience of your home, work of that sort is available. But understand that you're competing for bottom dollar against other people who also have, as you phrased it, "got" an absurd amount of free time and just need something productive to do with it.



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Re: Professional proofreading/editing job - Where should I start?
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2014, 07:25:58 am »

I don't have any experience doing that kind of stuff, but I see a lots of ads around college campuses for proofreading thesis and the like. In this case, having a minimal knowledge of the subject might help: a friend of my mom once lost hours before the proofreader replaced all instance of "adsorption" with "absorption".
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Re: Professional proofreading/editing job - Where should I start?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2014, 04:49:52 pm »

I'm a professional editor/writer for a magazine, so I can offer my take. I got really lucky, because my coworker at my teaching job was friends with the owner of the magazine. They didn't hire me because of that (the interview process was anything but easy and there were 10 other candidates, even in this country where native speakers of English are not so common), but it was only through her that I discovered the job to begin with. I needed an in just to get the chance to apply for the job.

There's a lot of competition. It's a job that many people are good at, and many people want to do. Getting a real job in this industry depends in no small part on luck, and sometimes on having an in. And if you get a shot, you have to really know your stuff. You need to be familiar with style guides, British vs. American English (depending on where you work), and be an absolute master of grammar and punctuation rules. If you can get a job, you can do well, but it's tough to get one to begin with. I don't really know what to tell you as far as where to start. Elance is a good one to get a taste for it. I did a few jobs on there before I landed my lucky gig. Again, it's a lot of competition, but you *can* make some money with it if you're patient and persistent.

I wish you luck. If I think of any other advice, I'll offer it, but for now, I'd say there's no secret way in, unless, of course, you know someone who can get you a job. It's sort of like being an actor in Hollywood, I guess. People do succeed, but many talented and dedicated people do not. You just have to try and see what you can find.

By the way, LordBucket, the "I have" vs. "I've got" thing is a British/American difference. Before I came to Europe I would have said "I've got" is wrong, something that only children use, but I have to teach using British textbooks here (and use mostly British rules in the magazine I work for), and it turns out "I've got" is absolutely correct. We don't even teach "I have" until they've mastered "I've got." I've actually been surprised to discover just how many differences there are between British and American English. I used to think we just used some different words, but it turns out the grammar itself is different. After 5 years of teaching with British textbooks and hanging out with British friends, I still keep discovering new things I used to think were "wrong," but it turned out were just different. (The one that annoys me most is punctuation with quotation marks, actually; in England, they put everything outside the quotation marks! Drives me nuts.)

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Re: Professional proofreading/editing job - Where should I start?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2014, 11:59:37 pm »

By the way, LordBucket, the "I have" vs. "I've got" thing is a British/American difference.

He said he's in Illinois. I think it's fair to guess he's not using British English.

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(The one that annoys me most is punctuation with quotation marks, actually; in England, they put everything outside the quotation marks! Drives me nuts.)

I'm on the fence about that. British quote handling is more logical than the American method, and especially in technical writing it's sometimes necessary to keep things outside the quotes for clarity. It's the spelling differences that throw me off the most. The British 'ou' isn't too bad. Colour, humour, etc. There aren't a lot of those. 'er' vs 're' comes up sometimes, but American English is reasonably flexible on that. Even here, you sometimes see 'theatre' instead of 'theater' on buildings and nobody bats an eye. Actually, for the longest time as a child I thought that a 'theater' was a place that showed movies, and a 'theatre' was a place for live performances.

Of course, ultimately it doesn't matter what we think. Either convention is ok just so long as the treatment is consistent. I have edited for British-style writers, and after the first few times it mostly just involves a lot of looking things up. Though the first time I encountered it, nobody thought to mention which convention was in use and I ended up through about 15k of text before anyone realized realised.

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It's a job that many people are good at, and many people want to do. Getting a real job in this industry
depends in no small part on luck, and sometimes on having an in.

Pretty much this. I only have my current position because I know the owner of the company. And even so I'm glad I don't depend on publishing income. Long term, I think it's a dead end. It's not going to be very many more years before automation replaces us completely. True, a lot of what I do for a writer is not simple proofreading. And even spellcheck hasn't eliminated the need for that. But give it another five years and version 2 of Siri/Cortana/Amelia or whatever replaces them might be able to do everything that we do.

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Shame on me. I used two idioms. Bad editor! Bad!

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Re: Professional proofreading/editing job - Where should I start?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2014, 03:39:34 am »

Is it me or should we be afraid of our jobs being lost to machines? Seems like one day my doctor might just be an Android telling me what's wrong/right for my body.

At which point, why even try? An if machine doesn't replace you cheap overseas labor will.

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Re: Professional proofreading/editing job - Where should I start?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2014, 04:22:57 am »

Is it me or should we be afraid of our jobs being lost to machines? Seems like one day my doctor might just be an Android telling me what's wrong/right for my body.

At which point, why even try? An if machine doesn't replace you cheap overseas labor will.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2014, 10:42:34 am »

It's not going to be very many more years before automation replaces us completely. True, a lot of what I do for a writer is not simple proofreading. And even spellcheck hasn't eliminated the need for that. But give it another five years and version 2 of Siri/Cortana/Amelia or whatever replaces them might be able to do everything that we do.
I doubt that, spelling and grammar yes, but stuff like logical contradictions or missing content, no.

The problem is more that many newspapers/newssites or companies do not even bother anymore with having their texts proofread. I could spend the whole day correcting the local newspaper, it's not even funny anymore.

I made what amounts to pocket money by proofreading academic papers and students essays in university (mostly not in English obviously  ;)), but it's very very hard to make a living off that, since there are so many people doing it for so little money.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2014, 08:28:46 pm »

If you don't want to engage in elance bidding wars, Fiverr may be what you need. Set up a gig and offer simple proofreading jobs. Make sure to keep the workload offered short, under 10 minutes max per order. Use lots of keywords, a good title & description, make it look nice. Show some examples maybe. And deliver your work in under 24hrs to aquire that 'Express' status that customers will clamour for.
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