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[Persus13]

Unvote, before I forget. Flabort, you got inspected as Mafia by a cop. So you gotta die. Sorry.

Also, could everyone stop with the court of law comparisons. Mafia is not a court/ If it was, it would be a jury arguing over which one of them committed a crime.

@Persus, also PFP because bluh x_x sickness sucks.

Anyone interested in massclaiming names (not roles, names)?

Me!

Persus13

...
Could I ask a general consensus (in the form of 'reads' like how we've been doing the playerlistings) in regards to how you view a player to be best as a watchman (instead of the usual 'general reads on the person')?

Persus: Why're you voting for yourself?

Because I feel that I would help town by serving as one, and TDS is probably the only other person I trust to take that position.

Also Deus and Tiruin, can you please stop WoTing each other because I can't tell what you two are saying.

[flabort]

Persus13, I don't mind if you kill me. I did agree to let TolyK kill me, after all.
But if we're going on just the fact that I was inspected as mafia by a cop, may I point out that Caz was as well and flipped town?

You're right, it's not a court-of-law. It's a witch trial. In Laberynthia. By which I mean it's a court-of-injustice. Proof is still everything, and contradictions still save the day. As well, emotions play a big part into the game, and usually the wrong people get lynched early on because the bad people want the good people sentenced at all costs. So, exactly like a Pheonix Wright game but more freeflowing and all the players are the defense and the judge at the same time. Which players can be considered the prosecution inquisition is a bit of an iffy question. I argue that there is no jury, but there are witnesses that need cross-examination.

Huh. Inquisition. As in, the Holy Inquisition; I guess going in guns blazing is an effective way to play mafia if it doesn't get you killed before you can win. That's a thought...

[Tiruin]

PFP

Unvote, before I forget. Flabort, you got inspected as Mafia by a cop. So you gotta die. Sorry.

Also, could everyone stop with the court of law comparisons. Mafia is not a court/ If it was, it would be a jury arguing over which one of them committed a crime.

@Persus, also PFP because bluh x_x sickness sucks.

Anyone interested in massclaiming names (not roles, names)?

Me!

Persus13

...
Could I ask a general consensus (in the form of 'reads' like how we've been doing the playerlistings) in regards to how you view a player to be best as a watchman (instead of the usual 'general reads on the person')?

Persus: Why're you voting for yourself?

Because I feel that I would help town by serving as one, and TDS is probably the only other person I trust to take that position.

Also Deus and Tiruin, can you please stop WoTing each other because I can't tell what you two are saying.

Err, Persus? There's a discrepancy regarding TOlyK and Flabort, too.
Flabort claims Italian miller--by which the results from TolyK does not match Flabort's knowing result (as in, Flabort assumes he would appear as {x}, but TolyK sees otherwise)

Also I didn't verge into the court of law as to treat this as a law court. Silly. That is also in part in communicating with Deus--I'll talk about it later in summarized form.

Query for thou: Expound on the orange part--what makes it a situation to fully judge flabort? Also on the other side: what did you notice as evidence against that kind of situation (that flabort is scum) back in D2 or prior?

[Deus Asmoth]

Persus, since I've given the flavour from my result on Tiruin, can I get your opinion on which is the more likely between me being paranoid or evidence being planted? Or if you have a different theory.

[Tiruin]

Persus13, I don't mind if you kill me. I did agree to let TolyK kill me, after all.
But if we're going on just the fact that I was inspected as mafia by a cop, may I point out that Caz was as well and flipped town?
[...]

I is confus x_x
When you make people singular, its like you're assuming they've a kill..but wha?

Minus the lower paragraphs, what were you intending to state there?

[4maskwolf]

Unfortunate Accident Voting:
mastahcheese(0):
TheDarkStar(1): flabort
Deathsword(0):
Persus13(0):
Vivalas(1): origamiscienceguy
Tiruin(1): Comrade Shamrock
origamiscienceguy(0):
flabort(0): Persus13
Comrade Shamrock(0):
Deus Asmoth(0):
No Lynch(0):
Not Voting: mastahcheese, TheDarkStar, Deathsword, Vivalas, Tiruin, Deus Asmoth

Lookout Voting:
mastahcheese(1): flabort
TheDarkStar(0):
Deathsword(0):
Persus13(1): Persus13
Vivalas(0):
Tiruin(0):
origamiscienceguy(0):
flabort(0):
Comrade Shamrock(0):
Deus Asmoth(0):
Not Voting: mastahcheese, TheDarkStar, Deathsword, Vivalas, Tiruin, origamiscienceguy, Comrade Shamrock, Deus Asmoth

Current Lynch Target: No Lynch
Current Lookout Target: mastahcheese or Persus13

Day ends in approximately 11 hours.

[Tiruin]

Day ends in approximately 11 hours.

>_> mmph. My timezones never help with these things.
Extend due to lacking activity.

[Tiruin]

PFP

... what's the Minister thingy?

My mind read it as Minister of Affairs. Mighty British of him :v
But yeah. Read it wrong and remembered it wrong.

[Comrade Shamrock]

Theory time:
I have come up with a set of ideas. I'm not sure so group share. I'd also like to hear some of your thoughts on my thoughts.

No. 1: Night Naps (Lean TDS)
I feel that one of the lookouts is hiding something. This is given my current estimation on night action numbers. Currently we have 4 due to framer theory. We had the cop duo plus our resident framer and night kill. This gives us a minimum of 8 actions for the past 2 days. Only 2 have been sighted and both were the cops. TDS revealed the action Deus himself had already revealed. While mastahcheese did reveal something new, he did also comment on how giddy Tolyk was which meant he might have been able to make a good guess.

No. 2: Framer Fun (Involves trying to outguess the mod so I don't recommend this)
Read this before game started. Look at Webadicts comments on framing artist. I'm wondering if it influenced 4mask. Also might mean Tiruin mightn't be framed, could explain the no kill the night before too. As to why Tiruin possesses the MK and papers, she could be the framer after retrieving her framing materials. This would also disprove theory 1. As that would lower nightly action count to 6 and I can more readily believe we missed 2/3 than 3/4 both times.

No. 3: Die Flabort Die!
If we accept that MK and those papers are the result of a framer. Then Caz was framed and unless there was 2 framers then Flabort was lying about being miller as according to him he should show up as third-party or mafia-ally. Of course Tolyk could have been paranoid/insane and been imagining the code in the journal. Not sure but food for thought.

Spoiler: Subsection Outlandish (click to show/hide)

Things that came to me in my paranoid ramblings. I don't attach much to them. But feel free to read through them.

Outlandish No. 1: Quis est Deus?
Scum have some sort of flavour reading role and fired at Tolyk N1. They decided to let Deus claim it because:
1. He's new so no meta for how he reveals cop.
2. He was probably one of the least suspected members of the team.
3. Newbie shields might let him get a bit leeway with accusations.

Outlandish No. 2: Replace Race
The scum are trying to replace their way to victory.

Outlandish No. 3: Megalomaniac of a Mod
4mask is an evil mod. He's a German in disguise out to get us all and we are all truly innocent.

Needless to say my mind gave outlandish 1 more thought.

Personally I like theory 2 even though it seems the most likely to crumble. But that could just be myself stroking my own ego (the liking it the most not the crumbling part).

Persus
Sure I'll claim my name.

Otto Von Bismarck

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sorry it's not actually that. I just wanted the joke. It's actually George Bowes.

What were you hoping to gain by name claims anyway? All you need is a phonebook if you have a German sounding name. You could use the internet too but that's for people with no imagination.

Tiruin and Deus
I am going to kill the pair of you if you don't stop WoTing.
Tiruin, please don't do the quote

This way, it makes it very hard especially when you are quoting a sentence, it is really annoying to go back and search for it especially since these things can be taken out of context easily.

Also Deus when trying to fix your posts maybe enclose in a spoiler if they are big or maybe just fix the broken part.

Tiruin

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Comrade:

Odd question. I'm not sure what you want by that. I suppose anyone who I thought was scum or anti-town. Do mean something else by "ideas"?

I don't want 'anything' other than an answer :v Your wording implies something much more, of note.

Also your wording is a bit...off, there?
> What kind of idea would persuade you to vote?
>  I suppose anyone who I thought was scum or anti-town
...?
Yeah its not parsing well -_-
What I meant there is "How do you, as a player, qualify others to be voted upon"? Any other expansion of that kind of question is personal viewpoint.

Comrade:

Odd question. I'm not sure what you want by that. I suppose anyone who I thought was scum or anti-town. Do mean something else by "ideas"?

I don't want 'anything' other than an answer :v Your wording implies something much more, of note.

Also your wording is a bit...off, there?
> What kind of idea would persuade you to vote?
>  I suppose anyone who I thought was scum or anti-town
...?
Yeah its not parsing well -_-
What I meant there is "How do you, as a player, qualify others to be voted upon"? Any other expansion of that kind of question is personal viewpoint.

Qualifications for my vote for president the noose include but are not limited to:
Hypocrisy
Reneging on your promises
Trusted cop saying guilty
Active Lurking
Voting (I'm not good at this one, I'm hopeless with patterns)
Avoiding Scumhunting
Inconsistency

There are probably more but I really don't examine myself too closely. It also depends on

Could you please explain what you mean by this. Thanks in advance.

Query CS:Seeing that list (and your other posts), it seems to...skim, on the finer and "more convincing" details in general.

The explanation is in how you see the question
But in that note, I've noticed that you're...very willing to just 'accept' others' words without questioning them. The term in psychology is "Conformity", along with the notions of 'Crowd Mentality' and 'Bystander Syndrome'. In my notes, you have a high degree of conformity--given-

Also in regards to vote. Deus found you guilty and I trust him.

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This kind of attitude.

Excellent, jolly good show! Just don't try and discuss poetry with me. 

Now joking aside. Am I not supposed to follow the leads of someone I believe to be cop?

Extend please

[origamiscienceguy]

Does anybody want to be watchman tonight? (just wondering)

[Deus Asmoth]

Day ends in approximately 11 hours.

>_> mmph. My timezones never help with these things.
Extend due to lacking activity.

I agree with the extend. We've got a lot of no votes for eleven hours left in the day.

[mastahcheese]

Do we need multiple people to extend, or is it an individual one? I support the Extend

Comrade: Did you just threaten Tiruin and Deus?
Are you planning on going through with this?

Also, have you nothing to say of my reason for unvoting? Or are you just chill with having me not vote you, and leave it at that?

[flabort]

Tiruin When I said it's OK for Persus and TolyK to kill me, I meant lynch; but night kill works too, if they are scum. I mean, TolyK flipped town, but Persus could still be.

Mastahcheese are you saying there's a reason not to be chill with your vote/not vote?

[Deus Asmoth]

Mastahcheese, I think you've gotten all the answers you're going to get from your question about Caz's wagon. Can I see your answer about Scripten?

[Comrade Shamrock]

mastahcheese:

Comrade: Did you just threaten Tiruin and Deus?
Are you planning on going through with this?

You can take it as a threat if you want. It was more an expression of frustration than a theat. I was just intensely annoyed with the big walls of especially the quotes without saying who said it. So you had to read it first to know who it was and it was even harder to find the source.

Well it would be mighty hard to convince the rest of you to lynch them over just walls of text. So practical difficulties aside no I'm not going through with it. Well maybe on Tiruin, I'm not sure.

Also, have you nothing to say of my reason for unvoting? Or are you just chill with having me not vote you, and leave it at that?

Oh mighty cheese let me offer my deepest gratitude for kindly unvoting me.

Why would I feel the need to comment on it? It seemed like a reasonable enough explanation.

Flabort:
You're very conflicted aren't you? Both wanting to vote and lookout vote mastahcheese. May I ask how serious your vote is or did you just forget you've basically been town reading cheese so far?