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[tonnot98]

This is what I meant.



I shall do some science and settle near there. Perhaps I will see goblins riding giant bats!

[Garath]

yes, we know what you meant. It's not something you can do in your fort currently. If you kill that historical person in battle its civ loses the benefit of those animals in sieges though, or at least it used to be that way

[Magistrum]

So... What about it guys, let's make a war minecart? I would love to see some science in this, as I'm already used to make minecart riding marksdwarves, but I don't know if it is still possible this release, care to check that for me?

[Bigheaded]

anyone posting next - please pay attention to the actual question asked, not just some of the replies.

The question as posted is more or less:
Can your taming of a new species give your home civ enough knowledge to make them a domesticated animal of your civilization


The answer I have based on my current knowledge of the game is 'no'
can't explain the mechanics, but it's just not currently possible

As far as i can tell from the wiki, there is no announcement that can be made that says "xxx fortress now know how to domesticate xxx animal" and off hand, i don't think the highest level of training works either.

Currently experimenting on crundles, seeing it is in theory if we are correct, impossible to get a tamed crundle.

[PatrikLundell]

@Bigheaded: No it should be possible to get tamed crundles using known techniques. The question was whether it was possible to tame a species to Domesticated in one fortress, and then have that species show up as Domesticated in another fortress owned by the same civilization. I don't think it's known even whether it's possible to get to Domesticated in a single fortress, though.

[smeeprocket]

well second generation can be tame but I don't think you ever learn anything beyond general familiarity when it comes to training unusual animals.

I do wish the list varied from civ to civ tho. Also, I noticed that if you do catch a while animal your civ has domesticated, you always completely tame it. I caught a few wild turkeys on one of my maps and they instantly became tame when my animal trainer worked with them.

[PatrikLundell]

I did have a strange case: I caught a Naked Mole Dog puppy who was born wild on the map, and after it had grown up it was Tame (don't know if that happened immediately upon maturation, though). I slaughtered it, rather than testing if it would remain tame.

[4maskwolf]

I did have a strange case: I caught a Naked Mole Dog puppy who was born wild on the map, and after it had grown up it was Tame (don't know if that happened immediately upon maturation, though). I slaughtered it, rather than testing if it would remain tame.

It was a child, and as such when your trainer trained it it became tame.  That's how the system works.

[Bigheaded]

The point with crundles, is that they are born fully grown, i thought only children could be fully tamed. If it's "2nd generation" then the plan won't work.
Will be interesting anyway, as currently, from what i've seen, it's "children only"
My trainers are a bit shocking at the moment which is possibly why i'm not making much progress. Fort isn't very old though.

Got a single trained cave dragon as well
As i quick side note: Do War beasts get any additional stats? i.e higher aggression?

[Magistrum]

As i quick side note: Do War beasts get any additional stats? i.e higher aggression?

They become a work animal and gain some a small boost to stats(higher than the hunting bonus).

[Aslandus]

The point with crundles, is that they are born fully grown, i thought only children could be fully tamed. If it's "2nd generation" then the plan won't work.
Will be interesting anyway, as currently, from what i've seen, it's "children only"

I think there's also a random chance of them being born tame rather than inheriting their mother's tameness, but it's not very high and it's much less efficient than simply training the children once to tame them... I had a fortress where I didn't assign trainers to any of the offspring and some of them were just born "tame" rather than "*trained*" even when their siblings were *trained*

That's probably how you can get a tame population of things that are born fully grown...

[TofteTiger]

I'm reviving this thread.
So is there an answer to the question?

CAN FURTHER TRAINING OF WILD ANIMALS IN FORTRESS MODE LEAD TO DOMESTICATION?
Let's say that we are talking about an animal that has the CHILD token, and that we have expert level on it in the fort, is it just a matter of time before it is civ level domesticated?

[Bumber]

I'm pretty sure Toady said it doesn't happen yet, as adding them to embark items hasn't been implemented.

[PatrikLundell]

Resurrecting an almost decade old several pages long thread to get a fresh answer to the original question isn't the best way to re-ask that question...

As Bumber said, new species cannot be domesticated. Training knowledge trickles back to the civ with caravans at a slow rate (somewhere around a percent per year, I think), but can never actually reach domesticated even if you'd spend the time to transfer all knowledge back.

It would probably have to come as the part of economy that would take changes in the resources available to civs over time into account.