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[wierd]

the ability to muck about with body parts is indeed interesting. i wonder if a syndrome can be made that adds extra arms, etc.  the normal body plan would still be 2 arms, 2 legs, but the dwarf/creature in question could be made to grow extra with the new mechanic, at least theoretically.

[worldspawn]

As long as it works on elves I'm happy.

[ASCIt]

I wonder if it will work (or will be able to be made to work) on civilised creatures.

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No, I'm not saying "eunuch slaves".
Nope.

So you're saying "eunuch GOBLIN slaves"?

[Badger Storm]

I would definitely like a tracking option as stated in the OP.  I trade away unwanted animals, and it would be nice to know I'm not stuffing my cages with the super-ripped, delicious specimens.

"Spaying" probably won't be put in, because it's a much more involved operation that, given the state of in-game technology, would be a Very Bad Idea.  Though I wonder if gelding will influence behavior any.  The main reason livestock were castrated was to make them chill out and be less aggressive.  An enraged bull or stallion could easily kill a man.

[taptap]

You can also use the[ u]nits menu to inspect a creatures description, zoom to it, and assign it for slaughter individually with [p]rofessions.

And I was supposed to slaughter the 12th, the 14th and the 17th on the list - or was it the 15th, did I miscount with all the cats in between... Well, I guess I said all I want to say about it before: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145357.msg5791985#msg5791985 All of this is fun and games as long as it is about individual animals, if you have some larger amount even only 20-30 for a given species it becomes very unwieldy.

[Eric Blank]

the ability to muck about with body parts is indeed interesting. i wonder if a syndrome can be made that adds extra arms, etc.  the normal body plan would still be 2 arms, 2 legs, but the dwarf/creature in question could be made to grow extra with the new mechanic, at least theoretically.

It looked to me like the only thing we can do is add new tags to a body part, not add new body parts, and it looks like a creature tag not a syndrome token. Our dreams of creating horrible mutant monsters are yet to be realized... but we can make things see with their feet! Or make the heart pop out when the torso is cut open. Without making new body plans in the raws.

[GavJ]

This also means that you can gather the foreskins of thy enemies, in Adventure mode.

gelding is definitely not the same thing as circumcision.

[Nameless Archon]

Presumably, this is being implemented to only affect animals. However, past amusements have noted that occasionally the "only non-sentient animals" part gets omitted, leading to hilarity. Presumably, if this occurs, I will be able to geld the survivors of my siege defenses before turning them loose.

I must admit, I'm somewhat puzzled.

Is that better or worse than simply having them executed outright?

[The Bard]

I wonder if one day the game will support being charged with war crimes :p

[locustgate]

Why bother neutering mountain gnomes? Just kill them; they're useless.

Also hoping we could sterilize females through a similar function.

Castrating females is NOT an easy surgery, it is invasive and was almost never done until recently. Castrating males are rather easy, all you need is a knife and something to sterilize the wound (alcohol). In order to castrate a female you need, a knife, something to sterilize the knife (alcohol), string to close the wound, string to tie off the cut uterus, something sterile to wipe the blood out of the way so you can see as you suture up the wound, and unless the environment is sterile, a prayer that the wound doesn't get infected.

I can give you some vids if you want to see how FUN it is.

[vjmdhzgr]

Why bother neutering mountain gnomes? Just kill them; they're useless.

Also hoping we could sterilize females through a similar function.

Castrating females is NOT an easy surgery, it is invasive and was almost never done until recently. Castrating males are rather easy, all you need is a knife and something to sterilize the wound (alcohol). In order to castrate a female you need, a knife, something to sterilize the knife (alcohol), string to close the wound, string to tie off the cut uterus, something sterile to wipe the blood out of the way so you can see as you suture up the wound, and unless the environment is sterile, a prayer that the wound doesn't get infected.

I can give you some vids if you want to see how fun it is.

I think the main thing is that really gelding is pretty much pointless, especially since breeding requires being within touch range is also going to be added. I tried for a long time and the only point I could really imagine is if you want your military to depend solely on war animals so you want to get as many of the biggest war animals you can get so you use the worst of the animals genetically as war animals and keep the rest, but since there's a cap on how many of one animal type you can have you don't want to waste it on the children of the ones actually being used for war so you sterilize them. Before the change to breeding requiring being in touch range sterilizing males animals would be pretty much pointless except for selective breeding, but sterilizing female animals would be more useful. Because with male animals there was no difference between having one and having fifty as far as breeding worked. Sterilizing females would be more useful since you would actually be able to lessen the amount of animals born without reducing it to zero. The problem is though why not just butcher the animal? I can imagine maybe doing it while the animal is still growing up so it can grow to full size and you make sure it doesn't have any children accidentally, but then you could just butcher those... I'm really having trouble finding a use for this feature. If you could sterilize female animals then I guess you would be able to milk them without needing to worry about children, but you could still butcher them and I think in real life most animals only produce milk after having children so after sterilizing them it would no longer be a safe assumption that they're having children at every opportunity as they would before. Yeah, I really can't imagine much use for sterilization even if it was possible on female animals. I suppose role playing?

[Koremu]

Castrating males are rather easy, all you need is a knife and something to sterilize the wound (alcohol).

Wait... you mean we have to use precious, precious booze to geld livestock?

[locustgate]

Castrating males are rather easy, all you need is a knife and something to sterilize the wound (alcohol).

Wait... you mean we have to use precious, precious booze to geld livestock?

Not really with males, they have a low infection rate, females though.....you need a keg.

[Chimerat]

I think the main thing is that really gelding is pretty much pointless, especially since breeding requires being within touch range is also going to be added. I tried for a long time and the only point I could really imagine is if you want your military to depend solely on war animals so you want to get as many of the biggest war animals you can get so you use the worst of the animals genetically as war animals and keep the rest, but since there's a cap on how many of one animal type you can have you don't want to waste it on the children of the ones actually being used for war so you sterilize them. Before the change to breeding requiring being in touch range sterilizing males animals would be pretty much pointless except for selective breeding, but sterilizing female animals would be more useful. Because with male animals there was no difference between having one and having fifty as far as breeding worked. Sterilizing females would be more useful since you would actually be able to lessen the amount of animals born without reducing it to zero. The problem is though why not just butcher the animal? I can imagine maybe doing it while the animal is still growing up so it can grow to full size and you make sure it doesn't have any children accidentally, but then you could just butcher those... I'm really having trouble finding a use for this feature. If you could sterilize female animals then I guess you would be able to milk them without needing to worry about children, but you could still butcher them and I think in real life most animals only produce milk after having children so after sterilizing them it would no longer be a safe assumption that they're having children at every opportunity as they would before. Yeah, I really can't imagine much use for sterilization even if it was possible on female animals. I suppose role playing?

DF does not have the "must be pregnant for milk" restriction in place. Also, males also give wool, or can be in an area guarding with females you also don't want to produce offpspring.


I still think the biggest issues (as in my original post) is that it's nearly impossible to keep track of animals currently. If you could nickname them it would be a different matter, even if I just used shorthand for size and such.

[smeeprocket]

I didn't even realize there was a difference from animal to animal genetically.