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[Radio Controlled]

Council thought it didn't really need a stat requirement. I mean, it's hardly more than a big fancy combat knife really, and most people can grab hold of those without cutting themselves up. Actually using it without liberating your teammate's bowels from their oppressive enclosure would benefit from having some skill in the appropriate places, of course.

I'll wait for the council's verdict on the helmet before overloading you with more designs.

What does the council think of adding standardized rails to all our guns?

I'll bring it up.

[Devastator]

Are you against the entire concept of tinker and attempting to design things or improve the armory?

Yes.

Mostly though it was just that 40% cheaper not being good enough, along with possible drawbacks related to automating a very new system.  At what point are you just creating new items and dictating their prices?

[Xantalos]

Say, any miscellaneous chores to do around Heph this time of the apocalypse? I'm gonna be here for the next foreseeable while, so if you have any random explorations or shit you want me to do say it now before I decide to butt in on the mission.

[Empiricist]

Say, any miscellaneous chores to do around Heph this time of the apocalypse? I'm gonna be here for the next foreseeable while, so if you have any random explorations or shit you want me to do say it now before I decide to butt in on the mission.

Greet the refugees?

[spazyak]

let the flesh monster talk t the already scared shit less people we've just kidnapped liberated...WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEAL!

[Xantalos]

Hey hey now, I'm an arm monster. Most of them are synthetic, too.

[Empiricist]

let the flesh monster talk t the already scared shit less people we've just kidnapped liberated...WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEAL!

They can't run around causing trouble if all their limbs have been confiscated!

[spazyak]

let the flesh monster talk t the already scared shit less people we've just kidnapped liberated...WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEAL!

They can't run around causing trouble if all their limbs have been confiscated!

The image I just got in my head made me laugh way to hard. Am I a sociopath?

[Egan_BW]

Statistically, yes.

[spazyak]

let the flesh monster talk t the already scared shit less people we've just kidnapped liberated...WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEAL!

They can't run around causing trouble if all their limbs have been confiscated!

there's a joke in there about liberating their arms from their bodies as we liberate them from their oppressive government...
Yo dawg, I heard you liked liberatin'
So I put some liberatin' with your liberatin'

[Egan_BW]

In space, ARM liberate you!
In Soviet Heph, Xan liberate your ARMs!

[NAV]

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I'll wait for the council's verdict on the helmet before overloading you with more designs.

What does the council think of adding standardized rails to all our guns?

Much obliged. Sorry for lateness of council update, haven't had a lot of time lately.

So, about that helmet, first a small clarification about the fibroblast treatment:

Fibroblast prevents stat loss from physical trauma, namely death. Mental trauma or brain damage don't count.

Now then, after quite some discussion on how to do this, the council came upon this final proposal after voting on it. This system came from pw himself by the way, and had to be passed through majority vote after much debating.

I'd say we should go 4 tokens, single use, single mission duration. However, it should have an upkeep cost. So buy for 4 tokens, keep it going into the next mission for 2. If you skip the upkeep it runs out and you have to buy it new again.

So there you have it, straight from the source. Works for regular peeps and braincases, also protects from brains permadying from going stale. Feel free to ask for clarifications if something is unclear.

Do you only have to pay the upkeep if the helmet was actually used, or every mission regardless if you died or not?

There is absolutely no logical reason for the helmet to have an upkeep cost and not the backpack. And it makes no sense for the base helmet to cost same as backpack despite automation. Things should at least work and be priced logically.

Seriously how hard is it to get a proper fair token price for this thing, without changing the way it works? Sorry for being persistent.

[Unholy_Pariah]

How about you stop and think about it like this radio.

Fibroblast grants immunity from stat loss, from all sources, forever.
Brainbox grants Immunity from stat loss from dying once, needs a med roll probably, and then has to have the biogel replaced.

I think 4 tokens for the backpack system and 2 tokens to repace the biogel after each use is perfectly reasonable.

note I said after each use, not mandatory upkeep... thats just a terrible idea.

[Radio Controlled]

Do you only have to pay the upkeep if the helmet was actually used, or every mission regardless if you died or not?

The second.

There is absolutely no logical reason for the helmet to have an upkeep cost and not the backpack. And it makes no sense for the base helmet to cost same as backpack despite automation. Things should at least work and be priced logically.

Idea was that the upkeep cost would be the 'price you pay' for it being automated, not requiring a roll or even a teammate you have to rely on. You basically pay for your continued peace of mind and security against stat loss.

Seriously how hard is it to get a proper fair token price for this thing, without changing the way it works? Sorry for being persistent.

Originally pw proposed a way where you pay a 1 time price, then you get to keep it 'for free' but it was single use. That idea seemed to get some traction in the council, but then other people pointed out they thought that was too cheap for a lot of peace of mind, and that seeing as how people rarely tempdie (and that tokens are much easier to come by than level ups) it'd almost effectively be the same as permanent peace of mind, and so the idea of an upkeep was introduced. Then pw made the proposition quoted above, the council voted between it and the previous, and the former won out by a narrow absolute vote margin.

I could always try to see if that first idea couldn't be put on the table again, but i doubt it'll work, this will be the n^th time it comes up. And again, they can't all be winners.
(For the record, 'a proper fair token price' is very subjective, or we wouldn't have needed a council for pricing things in the first place.)

How about you stop and think about it like this radio.

Fibroblast grants immunity from stat loss, from all sources, forever.
Brainbox grants Immunity from stat loss from dying once, needs a med roll probably, and then has to have the biogel replaced.

I think 4 tokens for the backpack system and 2 tokens to repace the biogel after each use is perfectly reasonable.

note I said after each use, not mandatory upkeep... thats just a terrible idea.

The fibroblast doesn't give immunity against all stat loss sources, unless pw is willing to have us rebalance the thing, which would be the first I hear about it (and is unprecedented, balancing an old pw made item in order to help justify something new).

Most importantly though, you shouldn't be directly appealing to me here, I'm just presenting the council decision on the matter, which doesn't necessarily line up with my own opinions or with what I voted on. I can always collect opinions and quote them in the council pm's or put a link up, but it's not like convincing me will just change the council decision. I'm a spokesperson, I'm not the whole of the council.

[NAV]

The helmet quite simply should be the price of the backpack + the price of automation. If an upkeep cost is added it should be added to both the backpack and the helmet because they are the same thing.

Here is a proposal.
Backpack: 3/4? tokens. ? tokens to refuel after each use.
Helmet: 3/4+?? tokens, ? tokens to refuel after each use.

Paying some tokens to get peace of mind against a minor problem is exactly what I was going for. If that is impossible to achieve without unbalancing the game then I will scrap the design and move on.