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[Parisbre56]

Hey guys just so I don't trip up and mess up the Snapdragon mission, PW did say in IRC that Haebi soldiers could only be constructed from specialised 'organs', right?

I dunno about IRC, but he told me On Ship the drones will probably grow out of the skin somewhere away from us. Also, wrong thread.

[Dorsidwarf]

here's a thing: can we use that material that consumes kinetic impact to create ever-sharp blades?

A better material would be hexbug or mythril.  Either of those would do fine.  They'd still probably be worse at slashing than monorazors though, and this is ignoring the fact that melee weapons are almost obselete.

The point is, if a melee weapon is almost indestructable, maybe a battlesuit can use it to penetrate the armor of another battlesuit with sheer brute force? As in, stab it real hard?
That is an emergency situation, of cource, nobody normally does that.

The plasma stake does that quite nicely, and is basically a guaranteed kill if it hits the torso segment.

[Parisbre56]

Oh, idea: Use the forcefield to trap plasma and make a lightsaber.
Or for something more practical, plasma rounds that don't break apart.
Or a combination of kinetic and plasma rounds.
Or maybe use it to contain antimatter to make antimatter torpedoes.
Or maybe use it to make better artefact containers for us.

[Sean Mirrsen]

A nigh-indestructible sword would of course have the benefit of not needing ammunition, however then you have the question, why not make the battlesuit armor itself out of it, and just send the thing to bash everything in its path to death.

...Now I have an idea for a ridiculous weapon for Miyamoto.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

What about a Battlesuit sized rapier?
"En gaurde!"
*thunk*

[Comrade P.]

@Sean: The thing is, what we have, UWM doesn't. So while we will be able to have nigh indestructible swords, they won't.
On a second thought, I can see how this idea has a bug potential for leaking our tech by losing one of those on enemy territory.

[Parisbre56]

A nigh-indestructible sword would of course have the benefit of not needing ammunition, however then you have the question, why not make the battlesuit armor itself out of it, and just send the thing to bash everything in its path to death.

Easy. Armour needs to cover everything. Weapons just need to penetrate one point. So in the war of Melee Armour VS Melee Weapons, weapons will win most of the time purely due to cost reasons (unless the weapon requires some absurdly expensive manufacturing method). Putting ranged weapons into the mix makes this a bit more complicated though.

[Nikitian]

Actually, now that I think of it, I agree and really like the idea of forcefield-trapped projectiles (whether it be plasma, antimatter or good ol' ClF₃).

It combines the effectiveness of the protective shell and devastating effect of its breach. Now we only need to figure out how to make it cheap...

[Dorsidwarf]

PW, price check on an Avatar armored entirely from triple-layer Mythril.

I'm thinking about 70 tokens, myself.

[Parisbre56]

Oh, to expand on my idea for better artifact containers:
Remember how in the ghost busters movies they used those beams to keep dangerous ghosts incapacitated and then rolled that box under them to trap them?
Now imagine that, but imagine ARMy men using goop throwers to trap a dangerous alien while one of them throws a hover grenade that will trap the alien inside a forcefield.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Random late night weapon suggestion:
A grenade version tesla arc, which acts as an area of denial system.

[Toaster]

here's a thing: can we use that material that consumes kinetic impact to create ever-sharp blades?

A better material would be hexbug or mythril.  Either of those would do fine.  They'd still probably be worse at slashing than monorazors though, and this is ignoring the fact that melee weapons are almost obselete.

The point is, if a melee weapon is almost indestructable, maybe a battlesuit can use it to penetrate the armor of another battlesuit with sheer brute force? As in, stab it real hard?
That is an emergency situation, of cource, nobody normally does that.

Relevant:

Melee type: This variant of the battlesuit is much less armored but is more physically powerful, has very powerful rocket pods built in all over the body to allow for fast, nimble movement (for a robot suit at least) and comes with a "Heavy Blade" which is essentially a six foot sharpened I-beam. Per the AM, "absurdly dangerous up close, even against other battlesuits."

Seems like we have a "good enough" one already.

[syvarris]

Thing is, we're largely phasing out the battlesuit and replacing it with the assault suit.  The only variant for it is the mobility version, which is intentional; All the other variants are either redundant (urban one, extreme environment one), irrelevant (riot control one, melee one), or inefficient (variants that included a weapon).

I'm starting to reconsider the last category, seeing Toaster's suit, but I don't know what its disadvantage is.  It must have one.

@Comrade

The problem with a battlesuit weapon that can kill other battlesuits is that it's generally too costly, and too rarely used.  Yes, for... I think 5 tokens, you can buy a vibrating penetrator capable of killing a battlesuit.  Or you could get a monorazor capable of severing joints.  However, you will only ever need them if a rare enemy attacks you and gets within melee range--which should be very rare.  Even if that happens to you, an assaultsuit is twice as strong as a battlesuit, and can literally rip one limb from limb.
The heavy robotic body doesn't have the strength advantage, but should be way more manueverable, and doesn't have a strength disadvantage.  If Yaroslav and Lars got into a melee-only fight, I'd put my tokens on Yaroslav winning.

[Comrade P.]

@Comrade

The problem with a battlesuit weapon that can kill other battlesuits is that it's generally too costly, and too rarely used.  Yes, for... I think 5 tokens, you can buy a vibrating penetrator capable of killing a battlesuit.  Or you could get a monorazor capable of severing joints.  However, you will only ever need them if a rare enemy attacks you and gets within melee range--which should be very rare.  Even if that happens to you, an assaultsuit is twice as strong as a battlesuit, and can literally rip one limb from limb.
The heavy robotic body doesn't have the strength advantage, but should be way more manueverable, and doesn't have a strength disadvantage.  If Yaroslav and Lars got into a melee-only fight, I'd put my tokens on Yaroslav winning.

Okay, I see. We really don't need what I proposed then, we have those kind of things fixed. Carry on then.

[Toaster]

I'm starting to reconsider the last category, seeing Toaster's suit, but I don't know what its disadvantage is.  It must have one.

It loses the claymores and electrified defense, as well as the amp-hands, which I appear to have not put it on the wiki; whoops.  Notably, it does have full armor, but the gun itself (which is shoulder-mounted) has only light armor.  It's a "LESHO but bigger" and comes with six rounds, and the BS needs to anchor before firing.