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[Playergamer]

Perhaps. Perhaps.

((Just curious, which side are you supporting Culise? Asking, because I'm pretty sure you're gonna go World Police mode on me.))

[Culise]

Neither, yet.  I just don't want people lopping off chunks for themselves to work their way around my flanks.  ^_^
...
Though I suppose that depends on how long the civil war goes.  If they can't get their own house in order and it starts spilling over into neighboring countries like I fear it will, it might actually behoove its neighbors to take a more proactive stance just to lance the boil, so to speak.

[Taricus]

Oh don't worry about people not being proactive :3

[MiddleNamePalpatine]

DBTM this is my character sheet I'd like to submit in case any spaces open up in Etraxia. Thanks! Long live Khaldra!

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Ruler Name: High Septum Ragnek
Nation Name:Rantessa
Government: Democratic Republic (North Korea Kinda)
National Focus: Magic. (Should be fun xD)
Important Laws: Prostitution is legal, but only in the designated Brothels sanctioned by Ragnek himself. We do accept outsiders, but, we require multiple forms of ID. At the age of 13, every child, despite illness or disability, takes a semi-standardized test to test for magical proficiency. Those with above average proficiency are asked to join the magic academy, where they are trained in Arcane and forms of Blood Magic. They are then trained in Military Arts, like their ancestors of an ancient religion. Such a religion was crushed by the Salatian holy knights(see description at the additional info). Those who are harmed or slain while still in the academy are honored and a small fee is paid to them in honor of the lost. Slavery is totally legal. It is not encouraged, but isn’t frowned upon. Those take from other kingdoms (if we go to war), are given a choice to serve at the academy, or become workers. When people go to serve the academy, they are giving up their bodies to the advancement of Magic. Those who become workers… they become workers. Those whom are not accepted into the magic academy are given the choice of 3 different branches of schooling. Military School, where the young are trained and made into respectable peacekeepers. Those who wish it, and with their parents consent may join sooner than 13, but they must take the test with everyone else once they come of age. Diplomatic Intelligence Agency, where those who join are taught to be educated scholars and diplomats. And finally, those who choose not to pick either DIA or MS, are sent to Agricultural Rehabilitation. AR is a place where the misfits of the nation go to decide what they would like to be. Most are made to be farmers, but some have hidden talents that are combed for. Hidden talents meaning a certain proficiency for DIA or MS, they just would rather not be in one of them. (We force dem xD) People who commit crimes are brought before Ragnek for judgement. The more heinous the crime, the closer we beat them to death. Beatings are only for Moderate to Extreme cases of theft and up. So murder and such.
National Religion: Yes. The people of  follow the religion of Sabish. The Goddess Khaldra gave birth to the world and spread magic throughout the world. But, her most favorite creatures, were the humans. The humans were some of the only beings that could control and use magic. This made them special in Khaldra’s eyes, and so she rewarded them. She gave the most promising few of the creatures the power to control their enemies blood, mind and all the space in between. The space between, known as The Void. These chosen few worship Khaldra as the Goddess of the Void, and as the Goddess of Creation. But alas, they abused their power and were struck down by Salatian heathens and were forced into hiding for the past 3000 years. And now, on the eve of the destruction of Rantessa, The Rantessan forces are gathering. Preparing for their assault.
Magic Control:  2. It is somewhat regulated. People can’t just go out and burn stuff down. Or attack random people. However, if there is a dispute, a form must be filed and a representative will be sent to deal with the problem. Or you know… watch a magic fight. In terms of magic, we use standard Arcane arts, but, Tystan taught Ragnek the blood arts and other dark magics before Tystan died of mysterious causes.
Military: 20% Light Infantry, 40% Medium, 20% Heavy Infantry, 20% Archers.
Additional Info:  We are a peaceful nation, but any threats, Political, Militaristic or otherwise will be met with extreme force. We are open to political  agreements, pacts or what have you. We only ask that you keep your religion to yourself, but, we will honor your traditions if it is required. Just no conversions. That’s just rude.
Background: The survivors of an attack by the Salatian Holy knights, swore revenge upon them and waited, hiding in the capital city of Xerithania. Until, the Prophet Tystan came and taught Ragnek the old ways. Dark ways. He learned the unholy magics of the past and used them to seduce a woman. A woman who would carry all of his sons. For he did not father daughters. He was sure of that. He seeks revenge against the Salatian Knights who killed his people. But only those men. (Tale they tell the Citizens of Rantessa---->) Emperor Ragnek built the great nation Rantessa when he met a prostitute, brought her to an open field and made the first spawn of Ragnek. From this spawn came many more. Ragnek built the homes and buildings you can see today. People come from all around to witness his benevolence. Once a small village was built, more people came and helped build the capital of Rantessa, Albian. Once Albian was built, the people who lived there held an election. Emperor Ragnek won. Whatever it was for, he won. He became the leader and his first decree was for the Magic Laws written above. Then, to expand. To do the same thing as Albian. Start, with a prostitute.
Stance: Aggressive (Don’t mess with us, we won’t mess with you. Although if you do, it’s lightning time.)

[Rolepgeek]

Tariffs aren't thievery. >.>

And historically, trade taxes are where most nations made their money.

Not entirely certain why you're making less money, though. Unless you have export taxes?

[Culise]

Nope.  It explicitly said that the trade route just went down in income for me because of the tariffs you implemented, reducing my econ size.  Basically, while you're entirely correct about how most nations made their money pre-taxation, the practical effect is that you're taking extra money out of the Istanian-Serican trade system, which leaves less of it for me, and which leaves me with less incentive to maintain the trade route when I can get better value for my buck by shopping around.  Honestly, the only reason I'm opting for reciprocal tariffs rather than accepting Taricus' offer right away is because he was spying on me, and because you're opposed to him.  That and I won't get as much money with a military good like copper compared to an economic good such as that which is presently being traded.

Besides, as they say, sauce that's good for the goose is good for the gander.  If tariffs are perfectly fine, why be bothered by me implementing one or two of my own?

EDIT:
Oh, also, the stealing jibe was just a bit of a joke at my own expense.  As far as I know, no one's even did, or is doing the latter two yet. 

* Culise eyes everyone shiftily

[Rolepgeek]

I wasn't doing it to try and steal money from you, like I said. I was doing it to try and increase native industry. Adding extra tariffs will, in all likelihood, just decrease overall trade between us, so that nobody's making as much money.

And yeah, Gold will probably give you a bit more, even with tariffs, than copper will.

[Culise]

*shrug*
Prisoner's dilemma.  Even if absolute trade is lower, it should hurt me less than to maintain the present situation, and the unstable equilibrium that was the optimum condition has already been broken.  I see no reason not to act accordingly.

[Rolepgeek]

...How much is it hurting you?

I mean, my total economic prosperity or whatever value is like 4000, and I only gained like 18. If it's hurting you so much that you're willing to put this much effort into it, you could just ask me to remove the Tariff.

I don't think you've actually asked that once, just been kinda passive aggressively saying you'll add your own tariff. >.>

[Culise]

I lost 18, so the loss was equivalent to your gain.   

As for asking to have it removed, my assumption was that you went in knowing exactly how tariffs would work and chose to do it anyways; it's the reason I haven't been raising income via tariffs myself.  Simply asking nicely wouldn't have helped in such a circumstance.  Besides, a reciprocal tariff would either lead to it balancing out without having to bother you with the matter or to a mild net reduction to both of us, in which case we could have discussed it next turn. 

[Taricus]

RPgeek, there's one little bit in regards to the trade goods you missed. While copper is less valuable on it's own, Serica also has tin. Getting copper means they have access to a lot more raw materials for military purposes and such.

[Rolepgeek]

...It doesn't even make sense that you would lose 18.

I gained 12 from the tariff itself, it said, and six from domestic industry.

The hell.

[Culise]

Ah, in that case it makes sense.  The difference of 6 is the efficiency losses - traders that can't pay the tariffs and stop trading, for instance.  I was a little curious about that.

[Taricus]

...You know, I'm surprised the two are you are banging on about 20 odd points of prosperity when you get around several hundred every few turns.

[Assassinator1000]

Here is my nation that I've made.

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Ruler Name: Noq

Nation Name: Zeodia

Government: Democratic.

National Focus: Espionage

Important Laws: Murder is illegal.
Justice System: Eye for an eye

National Religion: No

Magic Control: (1) People are allowed to do as the please with Magic.

Military: 10% Archers, 20% Light Infantry, and 70% Medium Infantry.

Additional Info:

Background: Inside the justice system of Rantessa lived Noq. A former unmatched thief of glory and riches, now reduced to a slave of the nation. For years he was forced to work in inhumane conditions and was under almost constant watch. But when he had time alone, he practiced magic in secret. Preparing for his destined escape. Once the nation broke out in a Civil War, both sides were occupied in the fight and needed soldiers. With neither side free enough to take notice of an escaped slave, it was finally time. After he easily escaped with the lowered security, he made his way to the capital. When he arrived he saw an opportunity in the now ruined nation. To which he could rise to power and create a freeland, where all men are equal and no one had to suffer such fates as prison. With the help of a few old friends, Noq rallied people from all around Rantessa to fight. All for the hope of a land of true freedom...

Stance: Opportunistic