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[verdigriss]

I know I'm not the only guy who has tried making a building to train medical skills, so hopefully someone can help.
In building_custom.txt, I've got:

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[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:MEDICAL_LABORATORY]
[NAME:Medical Laboratory]
[NAME_COLOR:7:0:1]
[DIM:3:3]
[WORK_LOCATION:2:2]
[BUILD_LABOR:DIAGNOSER]
[BUILD_KEY:CUSTOM_SHIFT_A]
[BLOCK:1:0:0:1]
[BLOCK:2:0:0:1]
[BLOCK:3:0:0:0]
[TILE:0:1:' ':' ':150]
[TILE:0:2:' ':' ':'/']
[TILE:0:3:'-':' ':' ']
[COLOR:0:1:0:0:0:0:0:0:6:0:0]
[COLOR:0:2:0:0:0:0:0:0:6:0:0]
[COLOR:0:3:6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]
[TILE:1:1:' ':' ':'=']
[TILE:1:2:'-':' ':8]
[TILE:1:3:' ':' ':150]
[COLOR:1:1:0:0:0:0:0:0:6:0:0]
[COLOR:1:2:6:0:0:0:0:0:6:0:0]
[COLOR:1:3:0:0:0:0:0:0:6:0:0]
[TILE:2:1:'-':' ':8]
[TILE:2:2:' ':' ':8]
[TILE:2:3:' ':150:' ']
[COLOR:2:1:6:0:0:0:0:0:6:0:0]
[COLOR:2:2:0:0:0:0:0:0:6:0:0]
[COLOR:2:3:0:0:0:6:0:0:0:0:0]
[TILE:3:1:150:' ':8]
[TILE:3:2:' ':' ':8]
[TILE:3:3:' ':240:' ']
[COLOR:3:1:6:0:0:0:0:0:6:7:0]
[COLOR:3:2:0:0:0:0:0:0:6:7:0]
[COLOR:3:3:0:0:0:7:0:1:0:0:0]
[BUILD_ITEM:1:BUCKET:NONE:NONE:NONE][EMPTY][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]
[BUILD_ITEM:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][BUILDMAT][WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]


That seems to be okay, as the building shows up and is buildable as intended.
In reaction_other.txt, I've got:

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[REACTION:PRACTICE_DIAGNOSIS]
[NAME:Practice diagnosis]
[BUILDING:MEDICAL_ACADEMY:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[UNROTTEN]
[REAGENT:B:150:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT:100:8:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[SKILL:DIAGNOSE]

[REACTION:PRACTICE_BONESETTING]
[NAME:Practice bonesetting]
[BUILDING:MEDICAL_ACADEMY:NONE]
[REAGENT:150:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT:100:8:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[SKILL:SET_BONE]

[REACTION:PRACTICE_SUTURING]
[NAME:Practice suturing]
[BUILDING:MEDICAL_ACADEMY:CUSTOM_S]
[REAGENT:A:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:TAN_MAT]
[UNROTTEN]
[REAGENT:B:1000:THREAD:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[ANY_PLANT_MATERIAL]
[REAGENT:C:150:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT:100:8:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[SKILL:SUTURE]

[REACTION:PRACTICE_WOUND_DRESSING]
[NAME:Practice wound dressing]
[BUILDING:MEDICAL_ACADEMY:CUSTOM_W]
[REAGENT:A:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:TAN_MAT]
[UNROTTEN]
[REAGENT:B:1000:CLOTH:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[ANY_PLANT_MATERIAL]
[REAGENT:C:150:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT:100:8:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[SKILL:DRESS_WOUNDS]

[REACTION:PRACTICE_SURGERY]
[NAME:Practice surgery]
[BUILDING:MEDICAL_ACADEMY:CUSTOM_G]
[REAGENT:A:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[USE_BODY_COMPONENT]
[ANY_BONE_MATERIAL]
[UNROTTEN]
[PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[REAGENT:B:1000:THREAD:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[ANY_PLANT_MATERIAL]
[REAGENT:C:150:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT:100:8:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:LEAD]
[PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[SKILL:SURGERY]

I imagine something there is wrong, because neither of these showed up on the building's menu.  I even tried making 'practice bonesetting' not require a bone to see if it was the body parts that were messing up the actions.  No luck.
Finally, in entity_default.txt I've got

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[PERMITTED_BUILDING:MEDICAL_LABORATORY]and

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[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_BONESETTING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_SUTURING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_WOUND_DRESSING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_SURGERY]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_DIAGNOSIS]
Has anybody got a clue as to what is going wrong?
Also, is there a way to make a workshop heal a dwarf or animal's injuries, or even just to use a live dwarf or animal as a reagent?  Thanks in advance!

[Eric Blank]

In your building definition, the ID is MEDICAL_LABORATORY, but in the reactions you put MEDICAL_ACADEMY. The reactions are looking for a building that doesnt exist, and obviously wont show up in the one that does exist because they aren't set up to use it.

also, why are your dwarves practicing their medical skills on bars of lead? O_o

[verdigriss]

Aw, man, thank you so much!  I had stared and stared at it and wasn't able to see the obvious error.
As for the lead, I just needed something that would come in and go out unchanged lead is soft and was sometimes used with a stylus to record notes in the days before paper. 
Ideally, I wish I could make these reactions use animals such as pigs or rabbits, but I have no idea how to make that happen.

[GavJ]

This is a really neat setup, and the reactions are clever, but IIRC, medical skills always succeed, and skill is only about speed, I think. Which significantly diminishes the motivation to bother to use the academy? Unless just for roleplaying.

[verdigriss]

Are we sure that medical skills have no effect beyond speed?  Infection chance or other variables aren't affected?  That aside, I feel like having some way to get a medical dwarf with skills who isn't rusty is an end in itself.

[smakemupagus]

Don't those reactions take 1 lead bar and create 8?

[Abadrausar]

This is a really neat setup, and the reactions are clever, but IIRC, medical skills always succeed, and skill is only about speed, I think. Which significantly diminishes the motivation to bother to use the academy? Unless just for roleplaying.

Even so ... if you have some dwarfs loosing all their blood, the speed of the medical treatements and the number of disponible medicaldwarfs counts a lot for the survival chances of your broken dwarfs,  that is critical for the survival odds of your fortress in the form of less tantrums spirals or at least more manageable ones.

Verdigriss you could also take ideas from some others already complete and working but somewhat stalled hospital training mods:

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7818 DF disease mod: Cures, crazies and contagion (new) by Halfling
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3535 Dwarven Higher Learning Mod by Shukaro
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125633.0 Masterwork by Meph that combines ideas from some others mods about training buildings and reactions (also hospital training)

In this way you can see what have worked for others and make an starting point from there for your modding ideas, not all is done in the  skill training modding arena, for example the plant gatering herbalism skills has in the 40.xx series a bug where this skill never trains.

So an academy for the training of qualified herbalists is an interesting option for everyone that want to do some 101  DF modding.

With all those new brewable surface plants in 40.xx... , the key fact here is that the stack of gathered plants depends on the skill of the herbalist.

It is not the same to have a stack of (5 sunberries) from a shrub gathering it with a legendary herbalist that having nothing from the same shrub with a  dabbling herbalist.

Lead is not a healthy material for using in a healthcare system, you could use instead any stone boulder to clean a little the fortress and later you could use papyre

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see the  3 upper  example mods

if you want a more developed mod.

[Eric Blank]

Are we sure that medical skills have no effect beyond speed?  Infection chance or other variables aren't affected?  That aside, I feel like having some way to get a medical dwarf with skills who isn't rusty is an end in itself.

I think unskilled diagnosticians could potentially overlook an infected wound. I had a miner succumb to an infection that wasn't listed on his medical records. It is admittedly possible the infection began after leaving the hospital, but he was in there for a couple months before receiving diagnosis, and infections often occur very quickly.