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[Haspen]

* Haspen prodprods.

[Sheb]

As I said, personnal reasons. I'm getting back home next monday, so I'll start updating again next week.

[Haspen]

As I said, personnal reasons. I'm getting back home next monday, so I'll start updating again next week.

Oh I thought it would take less time

* Haspen waits till Monday then.

[10ebbor10]

Crud, I knew I forgot something amidst all thos conditionals.

Wanted to build another fleet  . 

On a side note, you forgot my -1 naval assault penalty. Not that it matters, anyway.

EDIT: I'm quite sure I stopped my research treaty with russia in order to make one with prussia last turn. I can be mistaken however.

[Haspen]

EDIT: I'm quite sure I stopped my research treaty with russia in order to make one with prussia last turn. I can be mistaken however.

Didn't I decline it due me being on treaty limit?

[10ebbor10]

EDIT: I'm quite sure I stopped my research treaty with russia in order to make one with prussia last turn. I can be mistaken however.

Didn't I decline it due me being on treaty limit?

Renounce whatever treaty I have with Spanish to accept Albionese Research Pact.

[Sheb]

Never mind then, I read Russia instead of prussia.

[Haspen]

Well it was almost 2 weeks ago, I dun remember that oldy stuff!

[a1s]

I'm going to allow conditional orders for built formatted in the way that 10ebbor10 used.

I had assumed that neither of those things were possible. And while I guess me thinking you can't build forts in provinces with a battle in them is kinda dumb and totally my fault for not asking, you explicitly said that turns could not be conditional.

edit: here we go.

You'd need conditional orders, and I don't want those.

Not as categorical as I remember, but a clear statement of intent.

[10ebbor10]

Actually, no conditionals were used in my turn. Just a lot of orders, some of which were invalid. Obviously, invalid orders are not executed, thus resulting in the turn being what it is.

Also, the context of that statement is important.

[a1s]

Actually, no conditionals were used in my turn. Just a lot of orders, some of which were invalid. Obviously, invalid orders are not executed, thus resulting in the turn being what it is.

I would assume that invalid orders (that you refuse to fix- Sheb isn't evil) are botched without benefit to you.

Also, the context of that statement is important.

Not really. Sheb doesn't discount conditional orders because they lead to deep conquest, but the other way around.
However, if you do not wish to click, here is the conversation, reprinted in full color:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

can railroads be used offensively? Which of the following 4 scenarios can happen?
<spoiler>

Army suddenly strikes in a rapid move


Army invades on trains and, having met no resistance, triumphantly advances.


First Detachment secures the railoard for the blue side, then detachment strikes in a rapid move (as in 1)


First detachment takes enemy territory, then second detachment reinforces.
</spoiler>

All of them but n°2.

I believe we agreed to change it after witnessing it's riduculous effectiveness in Fantasy Conquest. However rules changes are obly happening between maps to avoid punishing people for not noticing the loophole.

Ridiculous effectiveness? Honestly, it only happens is you leave your borders undefended as of now.

Yeah, a1s: you cannot go 2 deep inside enemy territory if there is a fight on the first province, because A) You'd need conditional orders, and I don't want those. B) It would make wars too short.

[Sheb]

To be honest, it is kind of a loophole. I didn't expect that (France wasted a build because of invalid build orders for example). I guess neither did Haspen expect it when I first built stuff in conquered territory.

On the other hand, it's hard to justify conditional build orders if I refused conditional move orders. I'll sleep on this, and decide whether to accept it or ask 10ebbor10 to re-submit the turn and do it again.

[10ebbor10]

If you ask me to redo my turn, I'll obviously give the orders knowing the result of my battles already. Unless, of course, you want to give me another chance of capturing the russian capital.

[Sheb]

Yeah, that's what I need to think on.

[10ebbor10]

On a side note, you refused conditional move orders on the idea that it would require conditional move sets, and that it would make wars to short.

Refusing conditional build orders will have a different effect, making it harder to hold newly captured terrain and thus making attacking much more dangerous for the assaukting party.