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[a1s]

Yeah, a1s: you cannot go 2 deep inside enemy territory if there is a fight on the first province, because A) You'd need conditional orders, and I don't want those. B) It would make wars too short.

I figured as much (but thanks for clarifying). I'm however more concerned with maneuver warfare (or railroad-pulting around, as Haspen put it) It's entirely ahistorical for the age (WWI era.)

[Sheb]

Well, look at Haspen's game. It mostly degenerate into bloody assault on fortified position, that fails more often than not. Totally accurate for the time period.

In this case, railroads mostly mean you can bring man faster to the meatgrinder.

[a1s]

Nonsense. There are four ways (attacker-defender pairs) for that to happen on the board right now (I'm probably missing more). I don't know about Haspen's game, but here France and Albion are the only ones not railroaded up to the nines.


Also, playergamer, I'm sure you're aware of this, but just in case you're not: it's your turn.

[Sheb]

Not sure what's your point is to be honest. Just watch Haspen's game: at least a dozen armies are dying each turn to take one or two provinces. Sure, it's looking open now, but that's because y'all decided for small army size and haven't had time to spread your troops around yet.

[a1s]

y'all decided for small army size and haven't had time to spread your troops around yet.

w'all decided on adequate armies, which was the second biggest army size available. And 2 of us actually went for "numerous". Armies are just stuck in capitals because you put them there. More to the point, I don't think people would open their borders like that, if they knew (Scandis might not have the manpower to man their borders properly, but I'm sure the Ottomans didn't plan on giving away all of Asiatic Turkey, which is going to be a bitch to reconquer, what with the Bosporus Marmara there).

edit: Anyways, it sounds like I'm impassioned about the issue, but I'm mostly just glad we found out now, before people could whine about missed opportunities.

[Playergamer]

Finally able to get on b12, turn going up soon.

ALSO: I'm so, so dead, unless I get my RP machine up and running fast. By the way guys, I have a lot of academies for anyone interested in research treaties, wink wink.

[Sheb]

Well, yeah, I think it was a mistake to force armies in the capital at start, we might change that later on.

[Toaster]

Well, at max, you can start with nine armies.  Maybe one required in the capital and no more than three in any non-capital province at start?

[Sheb]

Or just no restriction. If you want to put all your armies on one border, you expose yourself to attacks from the other side.

[10ebbor10]

This is usefull.

Name:  The democratic states of Arluen
Leader's Name: President Tntey
Government Type: Democracy
Traits (0): Tiny, Adequate Army, Enlightened, Industrial Power.
Capital Province #: 29
National Color: Blue and Grey
History: A small country with a taste for science and a pallet for industry

Color : Red

Spoiler: Albion (click to show/hide)

Name: Albion
Leader's Name: Prime Minister Smith
Government Type: Democracy
Traits (Points left):

- Big: -1
- Democracy : -3
- Medieval : +1
- Adequate army : 0
- Military tradition : -1
- Traditional : +1
- Militaristic : -2

Capital Province #: 4
National Color: RED
History:

The failings of the British forces in Belgium years ago all but resulted in the collapse of the United Kingdom. Desperate to maintain internal order, repression grew ever harsher in this new, more dangerous world. Eventually, the kingdom collapsed and was reformed as a rather traditional republic.

Spoiler: Scandinavian Free State (click to show/hide)

Name:Scandinavian Free State
Leader's Name: Nils Jakobson
Government Type: Democracy
Traits (0) Small Army, Modernized, Enlightened
Capital Province #: 11
National Color: Gray
History: The Scandinavian Free State was theorized by the head of state of Sweden, realizing that, on a world stage, the small, bickering Scandinavian countries were of little import. He realized that, if you could unite Scandinavia under one flag, they could be a superpower, making a grand impact on the world stage. However, before this plan could be proposed to the other Scandinavian heads of state, Pax Napoleonia happened, and the plan was scrapped. Now that Napoleon is gone and the empire is weak, the Plan has resurfaced, and Scandinavia is prepared to take it's place on the world stage.

Name: Ottoman Sultanate
Leader's Name: Sultan Ishben (Toaster)
Government Type: Dictatorship
Traits (0): Medium, Developed, Adequate, Militaristic
Capital Province #: 34
National Color: Northern Green
History: Seeing the coming decline of the Ottoman Empire, then-General Ishben assumed complete control of the armies of the Empire, and lead a military coup against the unpopular Sultan in 1883.  Popular resentment after the loss of the war against Russia influenced the population to unite under a strong military ruler.  Assuming the title of Sultan himself, he rechristened the empire to reflect its changing nature, and led a series of reforms to both consolidate his rule and to further modernize the country.  He managed to both prevent further loss of territory and strengthen the military presence and ensured that the now Ottoman Sultanate was both stable and ready to face a new modern world.

NATION SHEET:

Name: Republic of Southern Europa
Leader's Name: Rom Kinley
Government Type: Republic
Traits (Points left): Republic(0),Huge(+3),Developed(+1),Numerous(+1)
Capital Province #: 53
National Color: pink

Spoiler: Spanish Empire (click to show/hide)

Leader's Name: General Francisco Franco
Government Type: Dictatorship
Traits (0): Dictatorship (2), Tiny Size (-1), Normal Development (0), Adequate Army(0), Militaristic (2), Secret Project (2)
Capital Province #: 63
National Color: #E96812
History: What would the world have been like if General Franco had been around in a little earlier?

Name: Russian Empire
Leader's Name: Pervyy minister Stolypin (a1s)
Government Type: Republic (Constitutional monarchy based on the British model)
Traits (0 Points left): Enormous (4), Modernized (2), Traditional (-1), Adequate Army(0)
Capital Province #: SaintPetersBurg (#14, which on your map would be all of Ingria, Karelia and Kola).
National Color: Olive
History: Having survived the assassination attempt, Alexander II has introduced a more democratic system of government, while funding railroad construction. Although this course of action has somewhat slacked after his death in 1893, it's effects can still be seen today.

Spoiler: The State of Eastern Prussia (click to show/hide)

Name: The State of Eastern Prussia
Leader's Name: Ulrich Adalbert von Eisenbaum-Braunschwert (Haspen)
Government Type: Dictatorship
Traits (5-[2-1+0+1+2+1] = 0!): Tiny, Developed, Adequate, Militaristic, Enlightened
Capital Province #: Pomerania, Northern Poland (#75)
National Color: As close as to this color (RGB: 7799BB)
History: With the Empire in shambles, the eastern prussian landlords have united under the leadership of proggressive industrialist, Adolf Roteschwein. Unfortunately, he was also a power-crazy man and quickly developed own militia and secret police, changing a republic of few into a state of One. When Adolf suddenly died (rumors of arsenic poisoning ran around for a while), Ulrich Adalbert von Eisenbaum-Braunschwert, Chief of Homeland Affairs and Security, was choosen as the new leader. With more moderate approach on internal politics, he gained support of those previously terrified of Adolf; intellectual elites, foreign capitalists and ethnical minorities. He still maintains discipline amongst citizenry and officials alike, as well as militaristic - even expansionist - outlook on continental politics and the future of Europa itself.

Name: Russian Empire
Leader's Name: Pervyy minister Stolypin (a1s)
Government Type: Republic (Constitutional monarchy based on the British model)
Traits (0 Points left): Enormous (4), Modernized (2), Traditional (-1), Adequate Army(0)
Capital Province #: There's no map, but presumably SaintPetersBurg.
National Color: Blue (I was going to go with EU Olive, but apparently we should stay out of the greens)
History: Having survived the assassination attempt, Alexander II has introduced a more democratic system of government, while funding railroad construction. Although this course of action has somewhat slacked after his death in 1893, it's effects can still be seen today.

[Sheb]

Oh, yeah, meant to do that and forgot, thanks 10ebbor10. I added it to the OP.

[Playergamer]

a1s, dude! I didn't change my orders because I didn't get your message. You don't have to INVADE me because of a miscommunication. How about we make a new deal?

[a1s]

Sheb, can I extract tribute from someone? Sort of like a one way trade treaty.

[Sheb]

Well, my guess is that he has to invade you because you let yourself totally open to an invasion. He'd be dumb not to use the opportunity. Out of curiosity, what was the deal?

a1s: Do you mean RPs and stuff? No, we should add that later on. You can demand completed techs and provinces though.

[Playergamer]

He's actually invading me because he thinks I'm trying to mass an army on his borders.