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Total Members Voted: 17

[mainiac]

IDK, you tell me.

[LordSlowpoke]

So that just leaves Lord Slowpoke as the Putinphile.

putin is pretty meh actually

was kind of decent before sochi, better than what we had here at the time at least

nice try though

[Knit tie]

Sergarr seems to have a "nobody hits my little brother but me" view on his countries government.  Knit tie seems to hate all governments, Russian or otherwise.  Guardian seems to think Belarus is doing it better.  Most everyone else seems to think Russia should stop invading it's neighbor.  So that just leaves Lord Slowpoke as the Putinphile.

I think that Putin is really good, actually, as far as Russian rulers go. He's not a mass murderer, he's not detached from reality, he's capable of making competent decisions and he doesn't let his oligarch cronies rob the common men that badly - what's there not to like?

The standards, mainiac, the standards are different over here.

So that just leaves Lord Slowpoke as the Putinphile.

putin is pretty meh actually

was kind of decent before sochi, better than what we had here at the time at least

nice try though

Where are you from, Slow?

[smjjames]

Sergarr seems to have a "nobody hits my little brother but me" view on his countries government.  Knit tie seems to hate all governments, Russian or otherwise.  Guardian seems to think Belarus is doing it better.  Most everyone else seems to think Russia should stop invading it's neighbor.  So that just leaves Lord Slowpoke as the Putinphile.

What about miljan and smjjames?

Well, for one, I do want him to stop invading his neghbors, but other than that, I don't know enough to truly judge.

@ Knit Tie: Not detached from reality? I don't know about that, though it does seem like he has blinders on at times.

[Sergarr]

Sergarr seems to have a "nobody hits my little brother but me" view on his countries government.  Knit tie seems to hate all governments, Russian or otherwise.  Guardian seems to think Belarus is doing it better.  Most everyone else seems to think Russia should stop invading it's neighbor.  So that just leaves Lord Slowpoke as the Putinphile.

I think that Putin is really good, actually, as far as Russian rulers go. He's not a mass murderer, he's not detached from reality, he's capable of making competent decisions and he doesn't let his oligarch cronies rob the common men that badly - what's there not to like?

Inb4 lots of people jumping on you for the bolded part.

[Knit tie]

Sergarr seems to have a "nobody hits my little brother but me" view on his countries government.  Knit tie seems to hate all governments, Russian or otherwise.  Guardian seems to think Belarus is doing it better.  Most everyone else seems to think Russia should stop invading it's neighbor.  So that just leaves Lord Slowpoke as the Putinphile.

What about miljan and smjjames?

Well, for one, I do want him to stop invading his neghbors, but other than that, I don't know enough to truly judge.

@ Knit Tie: Not detached from reality? I don't know about that, though it does seem like he has blinders on at times.

James, the biggest difference between Putin and his soviet predecessors, as far as the west is concerned, is that the premiers (and Yeltsin) always backed down when the NATO talked harshly to them, while Vova is much more uncompromising and confrontational. As for invasions, he does that markedly less that the recent POTUSes, anyway, and much more successfully to boot.

[Sergarr]

Sergarr seems to have a "nobody hits my little brother but me" view on his countries government.  Knit tie seems to hate all governments, Russian or otherwise.  Guardian seems to think Belarus is doing it better.  Most everyone else seems to think Russia should stop invading it's neighbor.  So that just leaves Lord Slowpoke as the Putinphile.

What about miljan and smjjames?

Well, for one, I do want him to stop invading his neghbors, but other than that, I don't know enough to truly judge.

@ Knit Tie: Not detached from reality? I don't know about that, though it does seem like he has blinders on at times.

James, the biggest difference between Putin and his soviet predecessors, as far as the west is concerned, is that the premiers (and Yeltsin) always backed down when the NATO talked harshly to them, while Vova is much more uncompromising and confrontational. As for invasions, he does that markedly less that the recent POTUSes, anyway, and much more successfully to boot.

By Soviet predecessors, you mean Gorbachev, right? Because I don't know many other Soviet leaders that backed down to NATO.

[Helgoland]

Hehe, Khrushchev did

[Knit tie]

Almost all of them did. It was mostly because the Soviet pople really, really, really, really didn't want another war with them as participants, after what the Axis did to them.

[Sergarr]

*they did to the Axis

It's thought that at that point NOBODY could go up against the soviet union and survive without MASSIVE blunders on the soviet's side. Hitler, being the walking tool he was, declared war on them and things went to shit.

I'm pretty sure at that point many people thought that USSR was (citation) "a colossus on clay legs" and a swift strike would make its people revolt against it.

Like I'm very sure that was the reason why Hitler aimed his first strike on Moscow.

Don't also forget that France has fallen MUCH faster than everybody expected, and it was a country which won (among others) the WW1.

[Helgoland]

Hitler may have thought that (and was partially right: In many places the Nazis were initially greeted as liberators...) but his incompetence knew no bounds. At least after the war every European leader was scared shitless of the Eurasian hordes* behind the border.

*I guess that term is a collective memory from Mongol times. At least that was how it was used back then.

[Sergarr]

Hitler may have thought that (and was partially right: In many places the Nazis were initially greeted as liberators...) but his incompetence knew no bounds. At least after the war every European leader was scared shitless of the Eurasian hordes* behind the border.

*I guess that term is a collective memory from Mongol times. At least that was how it was used back then.

I'm also pretty sure that the Eurasian horde scare has been a thing since before Tzarist times.

[Knit tie]

Hitler may have thought that (and was partially right: In many places the Nazis were initially greeted as liberators...) but his incompetence knew no bounds. At least after the war every European leader was scared shitless of the Eurasian hordes* behind the border.

*I guess that term is a collective memory from Mongol times. At least that was how it was used back then.

I highly recommend this lecture in which professor House explains that Hitler was not nearly so incompetent as the self-serving memoirs of his generals make him look.

[Erkki]

MH17 crash site. Can someone translate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK76aZ4vku0

[Baffler]

I highly recommend this lecture in which professor House explains that Hitler was not nearly so incompetent as the self-serving memoirs of his generals make him look.

I honestly expected a one-liner from this guy when I clicked that link.

Watchin' now.