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[___MeRliN___]

At some point I have to ask...

Slade or

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Adamantine

?

Slade has according to the Raws a density compareable to the core of the sun while adamantine seems lightweight in comparasion to that. But from what I know you aqquire Slade after

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Adamantine

and the entire clown circus floor is made out of slade. Both can be utilized as weapons... Slade is extremly heavy so Hammers and anything blunt made of slade might be actually better then Adamantine... But I dont know for sure. And slade is being hauled very very slow due to its extreme weight.

From what I think is that Adamantine is better for swords/sharp weapons/pole arms and any projectiles but hammerhead bolts/javalins and Bolas since those are blunt weapons. About Slade Crossbows I am uncertain aswell...

Now on armor. I have absolutly no idea what is better in which case... not a single clue...

So anyone able to help me out with this?

[danmanthedog]

Yes slade is the best for blunt but it will make your dwarfs slower the snails in fights.

[smakemupagus]

I dunno why you put adamantine in spoilers but not slade, which is if anything more secret.

>> Slade is extremly heavy so Hammers and anything blunt made of slade might be actually better then Adamantine

True.  Adamantine blunt weapons are terrible, worse by far than any other weapons grade material.  It's what you give your hammerer if you don't want him to be able to bruise the prisoners.

I would probably never use slade for armor, simply too heavy, no matter how good it is. 

[slay_mithos]

Candy hammer are even worse than feather wood ones, and those make some of the "best" weapon for a sherif, because it basically can't kill anything, not even small animals.
For cutting weapons, it has always been the final 'must have', which makes the whole HFS structure so appealing to most, the highest grade and best material guaranteed, making one of the best possible weapon in the game.

Slade hammers, I'm not sure.
It takes a really strong and big entity to be able to move at any decent speed, so maybe for orcs, but for lower strength species, like dwarves and humans, you would have to really need that extra power from a single hit, because it takes way longer to deliver it.

[smakemupagus]

I suspect (no experiment / proof) that even an orcish Olog might be better off with a "regular-heavy" ebonglass, wolfram or deepbronze hammer.  Still capable of crushing skulls -- at some point you have "enough" crushing power and the extra weight bogging you down is diminishing returns.

[slay_mithos]

Well, it's about the same feeling I get when I compare repeating crossbows and javelin launchers, a lot of pros, but also a few cons, and I usually go with the crossbows because they have pros that make them more viable in a lot of situations where the power is not that much of an issue, and ammo and fire rate can become important.

[___MeRliN___]

So really? An adamantine hammer for my hammerer? I will try that, was going within anything other lightweight but adamantine... but if the density of the material is the only thing which matters for blunt weapons I give that a shot...

Also... does this mean an Adamantine Hammer Golem is a waste? Cause if the low density of adamantine results in a low damage for hammers for dwarfs it might be aswell the case for adamantine hammergolems... If thats the case "Slade golems" would quite interesting to see... or just an adamantine golem with a slade warhammer instead of an adamantine hammer. Those things could probably wield and circle arround with something being that dense.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I'm basing this entirely off my own experiences, but I'm pretty sure Slade Helmets are the *best* helmets despite the weight, which is negligible considering the strength of it, and the fact that most useful military dwarves will get to proficient+ in armor user to further nullify the weight malus. I haven't tested it in the current versions, but I would bet you can't even pulp a Slade helmeted head.

I typically use Slade Helmets+Candy armor+Masterwork shields. I can't think of a situation besides the helmet where the weight -> strength tradeoff is worth it.

[Weirdsound]

I dunno why you put adamantine in spoilers but not slade, which is if anything more secret.

I disagree.

I haven't been playing MDF for long, but I've seen far more slade than I have Candy. My Archaeologist fished up a few batches of Slade Ballista Ammo, and Succubi can conjure the stuff at the Attorney's stock. Haven't seen any candy in MDF yet, so I suspect you have to get it the old fashioned way or not at all.   

Edit: Speaking of Slade Ballista Ammo, that would have to pack a punch.

[vjmdhzgr]

I dunno why you put adamantine in spoilers but not slade, which is if anything more secret.

>> Slade is extremly heavy so Hammers and anything blunt made of slade might be actually better then Adamantine

True.  Adamantine blunt weapons are terrible, worse by far than any other weapons grade material.  It's what you give your hammerer if you don't want him to be able to bruise the prisoners.

I would probably never use slade for armor, simply too heavy, no matter how good it is.

If slade is good for armor than I think it would probably be worth it, at least for some soldiers. Once you reach legendary armor user armor actually weighs nothings when worn. Also it wasn't you that said this, but size doesn't actually affect carry weight at all, only the strength attribute affects carry weight.

[___MeRliN___]

I dunno why you put adamantine in spoilers but not slade, which is if anything more secret.

>> Slade is extremly heavy so Hammers and anything blunt made of slade might be actually better then Adamantine

True.  Adamantine blunt weapons are terrible, worse by far than any other weapons grade material.  It's what you give your hammerer if you don't want him to be able to bruise the prisoners.

I would probably never use slade for armor, simply too heavy, no matter how good it is.

Once you reach legendary armor user armor actually weighs nothings when worn.

This is definitly something I am going to try once I am down their and look if that actually applies, that would be damn awesome to have a dwarf encased in thick, dense, hard, but yet bendable and almost inpenetrateable Slade Armor, gearing up this weekend and try to get down to the circus tend, cleaning it up, purfifying it, walling myself in down there and getting Slade and Purple Cotton Candy (Those webs which are apparently magma proof). Maybe a candy beetle aswell.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Anyone below legendary armor user in full slade will be useless. Hence why I said if you're going to use slade, use it on the critical part [the helmet] and allow the lighter more appropriate plating to take care of the other armors. Weight is still weight, and weight lowers your speed, which slows down combat actions now. You don't want to be slowing them down. Any benefits from better armor are totally lost when you're down to half the normal speed you started.