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Author Topic: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?  (Read 8075 times)

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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2014, 02:43:12 am »

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And then you could have some kind of special event when 90% of all rulers in the world have been replaced by demons. Something sufficiently apocalyptic.
It could be new age.. something like.. 'Age of Evil - it was a time when demons ruled a world'.

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I don't want those pathetically weak demons back. Any well armed, untrained soldier could easily match a frog or tentacle demon.
Who told the new hard-coded demons will be as strong as the old ones? They could be as well much stronger.
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2014, 12:00:04 pm »

I don't want those pathetically weak demons back. Any well armed, untrained soldier could easily match a frog or tentacle demon. The procedurally generated ones need to be upgraded. Not downgraded.

The fire ones are the only one-hit ones that really work because they explode into fireballs.
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2014, 05:36:54 pm »

[IMMOLATE] could make them do that, with a bit of coding.
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2014, 06:09:48 am »

It wouldn't take much to make dwarf kind fear Hell and forgotten beasts again.

First, slightly tweak the IA behavior of demons and other intelligent building destroyers so that they prioritize pathing to and killing dwarves above all other things, only stopping to utilize their building destroyer abilities on doors and other constructions that are blocking their path to would be victims.

Second, add a building destroyer 3 tag to the game and have it appear as a potential random ability that procedurally generated entities such as demons and FBs could be assigned during their creation. The level three building destroyer tag would simply allow the creature to destroy any construction in the game including artifacts, walls, hatches, bridges, fortifications etc.

Third, add an intangible/phantasmal tag that this same group of procedurally generated supernatural creatures can also be randomly assigned. This ability would let the entity phase through any solid material with the sole except adamantine. Thus they could path through stone, soil, metal etc. as if it wasn't there. It would also naturally make the creature immune to cave ins and other physical threats while it is intangible. Phantasmal entities would have to make themselves tangible in order to attack opponents or destroy objects at which point they would naturally become vulnerable to attack and subject to all the normal rules of dwarven physics while maintaining their physical form. This would be a particularly dangerous ability and thus would need to be somewhat rare, kind of like how deadly dust is currently.

I also agree that Hell's design itself could definitely use a bit more flavor and many of the suggestions which have already been made in this thread are excellent.

« Last Edit: November 20, 2014, 07:47:52 am by Melting Sky »
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2014, 07:00:54 am »

Final boss is a guy called Frapersec or so I heard.

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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2014, 01:04:51 pm »

You know, I remember some years back, my first fortress. There was a slade temple and I gathered all my dwarves to search it. I had never seen this before and didn't know anything about hell.

I found this room with a lever. I assumed it was trapped, but obviously wasn't going to pass pulling it up, so I stationed my dwarves outside the room and had a sacrificial dwarf go in and pull the lever.

And that's how I learned about Hell.

That fort was doomed, even after I killed the game and tried several different ways to handle it. But that remains my most fond memory of Dwarf Fortress.

Can that still happen?
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2014, 01:06:47 pm »

Nope, that feature was removed.
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2014, 01:11:00 pm »

That's sad. I wonder why.
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2014, 01:16:17 pm »

He accidentally removed it while making the vaults for angels.
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2014, 01:23:05 pm »

If only those vaults were available in fortress mode.
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2014, 01:25:39 pm »

You can embark on them with embark tools, and with some proficient miners, stone blocks, and a pair of proficient masons and architects, you can seal yourself underground before they come for you. Then, it's a game of survival, trying to sneak migrants in while keeping angels out.
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2014, 01:29:59 pm »

how would you know they were there?

That sounds fun lol
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2014, 01:37:45 pm »

Finding it in adventure mode makes them visible on the map. I tried to get demons and angels to fight at one point, but they didn't fight each other, just mingled and walked around the surface.
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2014, 01:39:27 pm »

wouldn't they technically be on the same side based on the story line?

A god grants a demon manifestation in the world via a slab and the angels them guard that slab. That's right isn't it?
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Re: Isn't HFS getting less, and less fun?
« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2014, 01:44:26 pm »

Yep. But I never read that until after I found out these things were angels.
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