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[Dwarmin]

[Warning]
If you're not one of the Seven Players I've chosen for my game, please do not post here until we are clearly done deliberating.

We've got an OOC thread for chattering.
[Warning]

Player Creation Thread--> http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145377.0
OOC Thread--> http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=145324.msg5778618#msg5778618

...And, here is where the players will decide their place in Westeros. Here is what we have decided on, so far.

House Name: House Stonehearth

Motto: "First and Last"

Coat of Arms:


Realm: The North
House Location: Northeast of Deepwood Motte

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Defense Rank: 39+5(Realm)+3(Kyle)+4(Alessa)=51
Influence Rank: 47+10(Realm)+5(Cortnay)=62
Land Rank: 28+20(Realm)=48
Law Rank: 33-10(Realm)=23
Population Rank: 35-5(Realm)=30
Power Rank: 31-5(Realm)+3(Rilmad)=29
Wealth Rank: 31-5(Realm)+5(Elise)+2(Henry)=33

Holdings:

Spoiler: Defense (click to show/hide)

One Large Castle in Lastharbor (+10 Defense)

Spoiler: Power (click to show/hide)

1st Banner House
Defense Rank: 22+5(Realm)=27
Influence Rank: 19+10(Realm)=29
Land Rank: 22+20(Realm)=42
Law Rank: 23-10(Realm)=13
Population Rank: 26-5(Realm)=21
Power Rank: 25-5(Realm)=20
Wealth Rank: 19-5(Realm)=14

2nd Banner House
Defense: 41
-Castle (Coldspire) (40)
Influence: 43
-First Born Daughter (Alessa) (10)
Lands: 43
-Mountain (Coldspire) (5)
--Castle (Coldspire)
--Lake (4)
--Island (5)
--Hamlet (Coldspire Village) (5)
--Light Woods (2)
-Mountains (5)
--River (The Frostflow) (2)
--Ruins (2)
-Hills (4)
--Hamlet (Alyn’s Watch) (5)
--Light Woods (2)
--River (The Frostflow) (2)
Law: 21
Population: 12
Power: 36
-Banner House (20)
-Trained Scouts (5)
-Green Scouts (3)
-Trained Engineers (5)
-Green Garrison (3)
Wealth: 21
-Maester (10)
-Godswood (5)
-Medium Catapult (2)
-Scorpion (1)
-Scorpion (1)
-Scorpion (1)

3rd Banner House ((Under command of ^UNNAMED^))
Def: 32
-Small Castle (30)
Influence: 33
-Firstborn Male (20)
-Firstborn Female (10)
Lands: 36
-Mountain (5)
--Ruins (2)
--Stream (1)
-Mountain (5)
--River (The Frostflow) (2)
-Hills (4)
--Small Castle
--Light Woods (2)
--River (The Frostflow) (2)
-Hills (4)
--River (2)
--Hamlet (5)
--Light Woods (2)

Law: 2
Population: 5
Power: 15
-Green Engineers (3)
-Green Scouts (3)
-Green Warships (
-Green Peasant Levy (1)
Wealth: 22
--Artisan (Blacksmith) (10)
--Mine (10)
--Small Catapult (1)
--Scorpion (1)

Spoiler: Land (click to show/hide)

1)Last Harbor
Plains
Coast
Large Town (Lastharbor)
River (The Frostflow)
Your house seat and capital, The Lastharbor is located in the bowl of a fertile valley-shelter from vicious northern winds and a natural outlet to the Bay of Ice, with ports that serve as a vital Northern oceanic trade link, especially to the wall. The land is flat and pleasant, and ideal for growing crops in warm months-though sudden temperature drops often ruin harvests, and your houses food supplies are reliant on trade. There's significant traffic to Bear Island, and a history of both contention and alliance between your two houses. Nestled deepest in the bowl is Lastharbor, the Northernmost port in all of Westeros-and by far the most populous in the region. It has always had it's share of dangers, for that-Ironmen have time and again sailed the narrow way into Lastharbors soft underbelly-often in the dead of night, in the last days before winter, when the weather becomes dangerous for them to sail so far North-looking for salt wives and the iron price-time and time again, the Stonehearth family has beaten them back into the frigid seas...

The port has never entirely frozen over in at least a few dozen years, and only does so in the worse winters-when it becomes solid enough, the men of Lastharbor often have to use their sleds to haul goods from passing ships.
2)The Shieldlands
Hills
Hamlet (TBA)
Hamlet (TBA)
River (The Frostflow) [2pts]
A naturally sheltering outcrop of high hills encircles your house seat-this is called the Shieldland, and it provides a home to a good many of your Houses population. Scattered and scarce, there are only poor roads and most people live in small hamlets, or collections of clan dwellings. Most people born here are fairly poor.

The Frostflow River runs through the center, slowing down and becoming slightly more peaceable-fishing is popular, since game is scarce here, and crops only grow sporadically in the rocky soil. There are at least five bridges across the Frostflow, but only one is made of stone-the one that leads along the road to Last harbor. Storms regularly wash out the other four, and they are periodically rebuilt.

The Shieldlands are periodically as battered as their namesake-either from Storms, or Wildlings, or Mountain Clan raiders. Even some of the more unruly Glovers occasionally cause trouble here, though their Lord favors a peaceful coexistence with your house.
3)Stonehearth Woods
Hills
River (The Frostflow)
Light Woods
Furthest at the extent your houses power lie the Stonehearth Woods, an extension of the Wolfswood. It houses few inhabitants, and is trafficked mostly along the river. Small game is abundant, but larger game is scarce, and those who want to hunt bears or wolves would be better served going South into House Glovers lands.

The Frostflow is the only significant landmark, a cold and quick river that winds down from the Frostfangs to flow into your lands. There are no bridges across the Frostflow this deep inland, but near the river splits into two forks near the center, which are generally shallow enough to walk across in summer, and freeze over in winter-only during the occasional storms does it become completely impassable. In other places the river is very dangerous to ford. Ships travel down the Frostflow from the Mountain Clans in summer, carrying goods and sundry-raiders also come, river pirates looking to raid the shoreline communities.

Footpaths to the North and South extend away from your lands, the short one heading toward Deepwood Motte-and eventually joining into the Kingsroad-and the long one heads all the way to the Wall, eventually ending at the foot of Westwatch-by-the-Bridge. This path is extremely dangerous to walk.

Spoiler: Wealth (click to show/hide)

Lasthabor/Port (+5 to House Fortune)

Current Treasury=23

History:
House Age/Very Old (Formed sometime in the last 5000 years)
Major Events (6)
Foundation: Glory
Decline
Glory
Glory
Conquest
Victory

Your family is an old and well respected one, of True Northern blood-you were here before the Dragons, the Stags, and the Lions-even the Wolves, maybe. Your family has endured Winters beyond count...and, has yet to break. Since time immemorial, your families blades have defended the North-you served the Kings of the North, a line unbroken for thousands of years, until the King who Knelt, where your family was shamed into throwing down their arms. Much like the Starks, you can boast of defeating Wildling hordes, Savage Ironborn Raiders, Bolton Betrayers, and mounting the heads of Giants on your walls...and more-one of most heroic ancestors actually managed to kill a mythic Ice Dragon, and it's frozen bones, still hanging in your hall, are a popular topic of discussion at your hearth tables. Your reputation for Heroism is unmatched-when the banners are called, you come-when Eddard called, you came and fought for Robert-and though many never returned to their homes in the North, you won an enduring respect from many in the realm. Your reputation is peerless, and your family is rich with trueborn heirs, your halls ring with the laughter of children-the future has never looked brighter. And if others whisper behind your backs-what does it matter? Winter is coming, and your family has never suffered Summer fools.

Your lands are immense and untracked, and you boast a fairly large population, uncommon to the North where desolation rules. Your military power is modest-your family has always preferred to fight with speed and surprise, with tactical acumen and trained soldiers, rather than relying on pure numbers or untrained levies-your lands boast defenses of stone and earthwork second only to Winterfell itself, many of which have stood for centuries. Your families wealth is not in gold and silver, either, though you don't truly lack for either.

In recent times, your family has never been stronger, but wildlings have begun to move on your lands in greater numbers-seemingly, their fear has been replaced by something worse, or perhaps it's just that new King Beyond The Wall...the Flayed Men of the Dreadfort become bold as well, and seem even more arrogant than usual, since Ned Stark went South, chosen to be Hand of the King...you remember the words, though. It may take Heroic Measures, but, your family has the will to hold against any foe-North, South, West, East.

Current House Members
In Last Harbor Castle
Desmond Stonehearth, Lord of Stonehearth, Defender of Last Harbor
His five children
Henry Snow, age 19-born of Bastardy from one Melissa Saltworth†, a merchants daughter
Benjicot Stonehearth, his natural son and heir, age 25, born of an annulled union from Jane of Fossoway
-From Alenna Hornwood), his current wife
Kyle Stonehearth, age 18, his oft disappointing son
Lesly Stonehearth, age 10, his salty daughter
Melissa Stonehearth, age 9, his youngest, bookish daughter

Maynard Camber Castellan
Callo Stonehearth, Steward
Septon Hullen, also called "Septon Snowbeard", often travels the lands
Emmon Lannack, Master-of-Arms, golden of hair and sharp of tongue. Hails from the Westerlands.
Sworn Swords-Eddwyck Mollen the Lordguard, Eldred Camber, Gregory Snow, Jack "Jumping" Jast, Pell Tenward, Hal Highoak, John Bronzehelm, Tedryck Wist, also called the "Swordmaester", A man named Nymer, also called "The Readied", Others
High Hall Chef Bodrick Wull, and his assistants and sons-Pell Wull and Tell Wull. Identical twins.
Geoffry Hornwood, Master of the Hunt

Camber Family
William Camber Married to Riana Karstark†
His Three Children
Alessa Camber, his sword-dancing daughter
Sam Camber, his first son and heir
Russel Camber, his second son

Frederich Wull, A Camber Family Knight-General

Maynard Camber brother to William, Castellan of Last Harbor, Married to Gabrielle Harclay
Clara Camber ((http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=55211))
Eldred Camber

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Some explanations.

Realm is your Houses place in Westeros, and it gives both bonuses and penalties-for example, Dornish Houses enjoy +10 to their Land and Power ranks, but -5 to both Influence and Law.

Defense Rank is indicative of the number of your Houses number of towers, walls, and strong fortifications-your points here are used to purchase defense buildings. When defending your lands, these defense buildings give bonuses to your army to repel invaders-however, depending on the size of your lands, you may have to choose either one large stronghold, or a string of them to watch all your domains.

Influence Rank represents your social power and presence in your region, and throughout all Westeros. Influence can be used to purchase valuable heirs-which can be either players, or your relations-who are very valuable in Diplomacy with other houses. You can also expend your houses unspent influence to improve it's wealth, and aid your party in intrigues.

Land Rank determines how much land your house has-this is spent in creating "Domains", which represent a piece of land your house has control over. Domains can have both terrain, and features-the biggest features are Cities.

Law Rank is indicative of how safe it is to live in your Families lands-from bandits, brigands, turncoats and unscrupulous foreigners. Law Rank affects your families wealth, leeching it away if low, or providing a sizable bonus, if high.

Population Rank is simply how many smallfolk your lands support. Population Rank affects your families wealth, leeching it away if low, or providing a sizable bonus, if high.

Power Rank is how robust your families military power is. It's primarily used to purchase military units, and banner houses.

Wealth Rank represents your families incomes and resources. You can spend your wealth to improve your houses lands-with mines, marketplaces, and ports for example-or keep it in reserve, for producing the Dragons* you may need on adventures, for buying mercenaries, Diplomacy, or who knows.

*The highest Westerosi coinage is a Golden Dragon.

[Sheb]

Just wondering, but am I in, or not? The other thread list my character (Henry Saltsworth) as being played by Henry Baldman.

[Dwarmin]

...Uh, yeah, that a misprint...he's obviously not play. I got my Henry's mixed up.

[Lucus Casius]

I'd suggest adding a tertiary vote, as well, and going by a point system with Primary worth three, secondary worth two, and tertiary worth one.  Then we can just total the points for each one and use whichever got the most total points.

I feel it'd be a better way to gauge the player approval for houses than just going by whichever has the most primary votes.  Mind, a bit more complicated, but.

[mainiac]

Well obviously the most effective system is to organize the houses into a party system and award them proportional representation in a parliament where they can...

wait what?

There's five choices.  Odds are good that a clear favorite will emerge.

[Dwarmin]

House 1
Realm: Westerlands
Defense Rank: 20
Influence Rank: 31
Land Rank: 12
Law Rank: 28
Population Rank: 23
Power Rank: 17
Wealth Rank:51

History:
House Age/New (Formed sometime in the last 20 years)
Major Events (1)
Foundation: Decline

Description: Your house is an offshoot of the scions of Wealthy Westerlanders, who came into fortune when a larger house was suddenly found heir-less in the midst of Robert's Rebellion-your fathers and mothers, previously lesser family, suddenly inherited a great deal of prestige and enormous untapped wealth. The years have been full of tumult, however, as these distant cousins and bastard sons scrabbled amongst each other for power left in the opening, or squandering it's resources in decadence. Your house sits on significant resources, most likely gold mines, and is a rich target for bandits-many of whom are your relations, sadly-crime is common, but not out of control. Your house has a poor standing army, mostly made of up of smallfolk, and likely heavily supplemented by mercenaries-which is a good idea, because your neighbors are hungry for your gold, your land, and your daughters. It will take Heroic measures to hold them off, and keep what is yours...
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House 2
Realm: Riverlands
Defense Rank: 9
Influence Rank: 6
Land Rank: 29
Law Rank: 1
Population Rank: 32
Power Rank: 24
Wealth Rank: 27

History:
House Age/Old (Formed sometime in the last 300 years)
Major Events (7)
Foundation: Infrastructure (Time of Peace)
Invasion/Revolt
Conquest
Invasion/Revolt
Infrastructure (Time of Peace)
Treachery
Decline

Description: It's often japed when Aegon granted the Tully family their banner for supporting his conquest, he rewarded your family the pole to hold the banner up-to this day, they count on your strong support...no matter what your opinions are on the subject. For 300 years, your House has lived and died in the Riverlands-and you have always had to fight for what is yours, and are known for your martial prowess and tactical acumen. No less then four times have your lands been decimated, invaded, retaken, and decimated again-twice by Freys, once by Beesburys, and once by the Tully's themselves-when a foolish ancestor joined his men to the Blackfyre Rebellion, hoping to crown himself King of the Riverlands.

Still, wars end, and your family has always been good at rebuilding-in the old days, before the Dragons came, you were merely humble fisherfolk, so the singers say. Your family boasts a robust population, no shortage of wealth from river trade, and vast, rich farmlands and tracts of virgin woods-thought they could be bigger, some say, if you dealt with your problems at home.

Only recently, the last 20 years, have the hard times come. Your families previous Lord made a controversial, and in hindsight terrible decision-he supported Aery's over Robert, going against the wishes of the Tully's. At the end of the war, your family was made a pariah and a scapegoat, and the Lord won nothing during the war, but the scorn of the victors.

The loss stung, but the anger of your banner lords was worse-they openly revolted, defying guests right, slaughtering your Lord Grandfather, and hied to the hills. Over the last 20 years, any semblance law has completely fallen apart as these malcontents has spread like poison-one by one, your towers and holdfasts have fallen, and become Robbers Dens. Now, hordes of bandit murderers and rapers armed in stolen steel declare themselves Lords and force your people to pay them "taxes"-traveling the roads at night is oft suicide by moonlight. It's clear they must be dealt with, and soon-the greater part of house military forces, while not inconsiderable, are ill suited for hunting river rats...it will take heroic measures to rectify these injustices.
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House 3
Realm: Mountains of the Moon
Defense Rank: 47
Influence Rank: 29
Land Rank: 18
Law Rank: 15
Population Rank: 14
Power Rank: 21
Wealth Rank: 15

History:
House Age/New (Formed sometime in the last 20 years)
Major Events (2)
Foundation: Invasion/Revolt
Decline

Description: Your family was properly born in the fires of a great Lordslaying-during the winter following Roberts Rebellion, the High mountain passes snowed over, and your smallfolk began to starve. Rumors of their Nobles feasting every night in their Marble Towers spread subversively. They rose up and displaced their Lord, bloodily...and, your family, their former Castellans (your family was very popular and well loved) found themselves chosen for leadership by the surviving heirs-a hasty wedding to your Lord was perhaps all that kept the smallfolk from killing the lot of them.

Once Spring came around again, the balance was lost. Between your own family, and the "Old Blood" lay the uncountable horrors of what had transpired during one bloody night, none of which are yours to blame of...unless you listen to whispers. You have spent the intervening years sniping and fighting amongst one another, and both families and land have suffered greatly from the feud.

Your families lands are like most in the mountains-small, rocky, and sparsely populated. You have only meager wealth and forces at your command-your smallfolk can barely sufficing to hold off the mountain bandit clans, who raid freely, and without fear. Still, your natural mountain defenses, and robust walls keep them back-often do the Lords open their gates, to keep life and sundry secure. It's getting the smallfolk to leave again that's the problem, before they starve your halls.

Your family is currently at a bitter cross-with both sides avowing different ways and means forward, disagreeing with one another just because they can, and becoming more vocal and hostile toward one another-swords have been drawn, tempers high. It'll take heroic measures to sort it out, before it comes to spilling your brothers blood in the mountain streams.
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House 4
Realm: Stormlands
Defense Rank: 27
Influence Rank: 16
Land Rank: 19
Law Rank: 20
Population Rank: 16
Power Rank: 23
Wealth Rank: 15

History:
House Age/Old (Formed sometime in the last 300 years)
Major Events (4)
Foundation: Scandal
Treachery
Invasion/Revolt
Infrastructure (Time of Peace)

During Aegon's conquest, it is said by the Bards that he flew down upon a small hold on Stormlands, and his generals demanded the surrender of a Lord and his castle, one summer day. The man was stubborn, however, and would not yield. His smallfolk trembled in their wooden huts, preparing for Dragonfire-and his knights prepared to take doses of Sweetsleep so they would die in dreams, rather than be cooked alive in their armor.

It was at this point the Lords brother asked to speak to him in private.

An hour later, the Brother presented his Lords head to Aegon's generals, his sword red with his kins blood. "Burn me if you must, but at least spare us a fools pyre,", he said.

The brother was rewarded for his Kinslaying, risen to Lord himself....which, your family maintains to this day, was a necessary evil. Better that, then end up like Harrenhal. Better that, than another field of fire...didn't the rest of Westeros surrender as well? Of course, it has been a bitter old memory that tags along where-ever you go. No one forgets, not when it's so convenient. A House born of Kinslaying-how shameful...Even your full blooded support of Robert in his rebellion, where your men often led the van, and died in terrible numbers for his cause, did little to change hearts and minds...it seems that ancient (necessary) evil may yet dog your family for the rest of time.

And yet, your family still lives on, blood of kinslayers or nought-though, it is a road that is has never been easy. Your lands are poor, though you boast fine (non-burned) fortifications, you have little wealth and poor population. You maintain barely modest forces, and crime and bandit are probably the worst in the Stormlands, though better than some places.

All in all, there's a lot of room for improvement. When have Stormlanders ever lacked for courage, though? It's time for some Heroic Measures.
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House 5
Realm: The North
Defense Rank: 44
Influence Rank: 57
Land Rank: 48
Law Rank: 23
Population Rank: 30
Power Rank: 26
Wealth Rank: 26

History:
House Age/Very Old (Formed sometime in the last 5000 years)
Major Events (6)
Foundation: Glory
Decline
Glory
Glory
Conquest
Victory

Your family is an old and well respected one, of True Northern blood-you were here before the Dragons, the Stags, and the Lions-even the Wolves, maybe. Your family has endured Winters beyond count...and, has yet to break. Since time immemorial, your families blades have defended the North-you served the Kings of the North, a line unbroken for thousands of years, until the King who Knelt, where your family was shamed into throwing down their arms. Much like the Starks, you can boast of defeating Wildling hordes, Savage Ironborn Raiders, Bolton Betrayers, and mounting the heads of Giants on your walls...and more-one of most heroic ancestors actually managed to kill a mythic Ice Dragon, and it's frozen bones, still hanging in your hall, are a popular topic of discussion at your hearth tables. Your reputation for Heroism is unmatched-when the banners are called, you come-when Eddard called, you came and fought for Robert-and though many never returned to their homes in the North, you won an enduring respect from many in the realm. Your reputation is peerless, and your family is rich with trueborn heirs, your halls ring with the laughter of children-the future has never looked brighter. And if others whisper behind your backs-what does it matter? Winter is coming, and your family has never suffered Summer fools.

Your lands are immense and untracked, and you boast a fairly large population, uncommon to the North where desolation rules. Your military power is modest-your family has always preferred to fight with speed and surprise, with tactical acumen and trained soldiers, rather than relying on pure numbers or untrained levies-your lands boast defenses of stone and earthwork second only to Winterfell itself, many of which have stood for centuries. Your families wealth is not in gold and silver, either, though you don't truly lack for either.

In recent times, your family has never been stronger, but wildlings have begun to move on your lands in greater numbers-seemingly, their fear has been replaced by something worse, or perhaps it's just that new King Beyond The Wall...the Flayed Men of the Dreadfort become bold as well, and seem even more arrogant than usual, since Ned Stark went South, chosen to be Hand of the King...you remember the words, though. It may take Heroic Measures, but, your family has the will to hold against any foe-North, South, West, East.

[Dwarmin]

I've decided Lucus has the right of it. We'll vote like this instead.

I'd suggest adding a tertiary vote, as well, and going by a point system with Primary worth three, secondary worth two, and tertiary worth one.  Then we can just total the points for each one and use whichever got the most total points.

[Sheb]

1st Vote: House 2 of the Riverlands
2nd Vote: House 4 of the Stormlands
3rd Vote: House 1 of the Westerlands

[kj1225]

Primary:  5 (I like the north in general and really messing with the canon is great fun.)
Secondary:  2 (It sounds quite fun)
Trietary:  1 (Bandit hunting sounds somewhat interesting.)

[Taricus]

Primary Vote: House 5
Secondary Vote: House 3
Tertiary Vote: House 1

[Lucus Casius]

Huh.  Five has one of the better series of rolls I've ever seen come out of this game.

Primary:  House 5
Secondary: House 4
Tertiary: House 3

[Sheb]

Oh, come one, my character won't make sense in the North. :/ Plus, it's so big and empty. All the cool people are in the South (because all the people are in the south)

[Lucus Casius]

Sure he would.  White Harbor's in the north and it's pretty rich.

[kj1225]

Oh, come one, my character won't make sense in the North. :/ Plus, it's so big and empty. All the cool people are in the South (because all the people are in the south)

Saying that like we won't be going south soon anyways....

[Taricus]

Won't be going south? Not with all these heirs