AnalysisTown got mislynched D1. That isn't unusual. Let's look back on the last five BMs:
BM L: TheDarkStar and Eyjafjallajökull were scum, TDS was on the D1 mislynch, Eyjafjallajökull was not voting.
BM XLIX: Comrade Shamrock and Worldmaster27 were scum, Comrade Shamrock was on the D1 mislynch, Worldmaster was not voting.
BM XLVIII: Illgeo and yobbo were scum. Yobbo was on the D1 mislynch. Illgeo was voting someone else.
BM XLVII: Tiruin and LARD were scum. LARD was on the D1 mislynch, Tiruin was not voting.
BM XLVI: MastahCheese and MyOwnWorstEnemy were scum. No one was lynched on D1(!), but MastahCheese and MOWE were on different targets. D2 mislynch, Mastahcheese voted for someone who didn't end up getting lynched (but might have done if there weren't a last minute swing to Pufferfish) and MOWE didn't vote at all.
Do you see the patterns here? That's right: for whatever reason, scum almost never persue the same target as one another; there's almost always a scum player on the D1 mislynch; often a scum player won't vote at all.
What does that mean for us? Well, it's likely that one of Cheeetar, Scintillant, masked_krusader or Scripten are scum; and its most likely that their buddy is Deus Asmoth, with Dorsidwarf a strong second contender. (4maskwolf
only just got in here is dead)
Deus Asmoth, looking back it seems you were fairly active; why weren't you voting for someone at the end of Day 1?
Who had the weakest case against Comrade Shamrock?Was it Cheetah?I do admit I did push you on an RVS but so did Scintillant. The exact same question in fact. I was not actually even trying to push a case on you at all. I know full well I don't have anything even remotely substantial. I'm just got a bad feel from your responses. It isn't very easy to put into words either. I was asked by Scintillant on who I thought was the scummiest.
This rubs me the complete wrong way. "I did a wrong thing, but so did this other person!" And then you say you weren't trying to push a case on somebody, as if this absolves your mistake. If you have a bad feeling from the way somebody is posting, you ought to be pushing and questioning them.
It seems as if you're playing in a very meek fashion, Comrade- not the way I'd advise mafia to be played, and one which seems to indicate to me a desire to not be noticed too much. It's a scummy way of playing, and I'm going to keep my vote on you.
Cheetah offers a reason to lynch Shamrock. It's not a very good reason (playing meekly is not a very strong scum sign in a game full of new players), but it is definitely a reason.
Was it Scintillant?I'm assuming that you mean what I'd do (feel free to correct me if you meant something else). Now that I've thought a bit more on the matter and am not deathly tired, I think whichever way the SBC lynch goes, my suspicion would fall on Comrade. He was the last one on the SBC wagon, and he got on it with the same argument as Krusader used before him here Well, in that case, unvote.
I shall place my vote on SBC, if he doesn't post anytime soon.
namely that SBC was lurking. Also, hereCheetar:
Comrade Shamrock: How will you react if SBC flips town? If he flips mafia? Would you unvote if SBC started posting again, and are you voting him because you believe his inactivity scummy or because you don't like his inactivity?
I wouldn't be surprised anyway, if he flipped town, I'd be more surprised if he actually did flip mafia. The lack of content makes it very hard to judge his alignment to any degree. I have currently unvoted him because a new suspicion has emerged. As to why I was voting him. I find his inactivity mildly scummy. I dislike his inactivity, especially in his role of IC and feel that if he makes it to Lylo it will screw us over.
This is not just due to his activity but the length of his posts. They leave very little to try and discern his alignment. His style is beneficial to him. Very little to read on and little questioning makes him an unlikely scum target as he's not that active. He mightn't be lynched for that same reason (If he continued to post small ones). Very little to go on which makes it hard to make a concrete case towards either town or mafia. He wouldn't have built much trust with any surviving town members, which might make his cases, even if right, ineffective.
Scripten:
You are the one who started this SBC wagon. Yet you never saw fit to make a vote. You felt he was scum and wanted the rest of us to come up with reasons why. Fair enough, help the new players I guess. But you never extended it to anything beyond that. You offered speculation and encouragement but no direct involvement. Why? Are you trying to distance yourself from the lynch?
Everyone: Superblackcat is probably scum. Note the difference between his play and Persus13's. Can everyone give me as in-depth a list as they can hack as to what SBC has contributed to the game?
This I feel is a leading question. Which you said you directly disliked.
This is a leading question and I don't like that.
You led us straight to this lynch. You asked a question which heavily implied he was scum and basically told us to go lynch him. So what is it you don't like about leading questions? You asked one yourself. So now you are a hypocrite and what's more you didn't back it with your own vote. This could mean you either didn't have confidence in your own analysis, which begs the question. Why did you imply that we should definitely lynch him? Or it could be a scum strategy.
he seems to be defending SBC by saying that it's hard to call a case on him for town or mafia due to his inactivity. He then proceeds to push suspicion onto you, which you then debunk. Afterwards, he responds with this.Unvote
Scripten:
Oops sorry. Didn't see your vote I looked past here.
Didn't notice it was on page 3, Then Cheetar said 3 were voting. I put 2 and 2 together getting a very large damn number. You can call me the biggest goddamn idiot on earth and you'd be right.
This seems very excusey and scummy to me. He's basically insulting himself to show that he's bad and thus should be allowed to get away with his poor argument. In addition, he fails to address any of the counterpoints he presents. All of this put together makes Comrade my prime scum suspect, as a scum partner with SBC, both right now and after an SBC lynch.
Scintillant offers a number of reasons to vote Shamrock and backs them up in reference to actual posts. This case is formed in reaction to Scripten's questioning, and the vote on Shamrock is buried in the response rather than directed at their target. A great way to to get inexperienced players mislynched is to not directly question them when you're trying to lynch them.
Was it masked_krusader?Of the two instances you quoted, the first weren't even answers, they were attacks based on pure speculation. WIFOM. The second wasn't an answer, either, it was me going off on a WIFOM-y tangent. I never dismissed answers, Comrade, I defended myself from a baseless accusation, and started rambling. I don't think either one is very scummy. You seem to be pushing a weak case, though.
And with this in mind, screw it, unvote. SBC seems likely to be replaced, so my vote staying on him would accomplish nothing.
Comrade is a scummy scum scummer.
Their initial case on Shamrock is formed from a reasonable counter-response. Their second vote though feels a bit bandwagony. It is good to vote at the end of Day 1, it is better to reaffirm your case.
Was it Scripten?I don't have much time today so I'm going to put my vote where it makes the most sense. (Also to avoid a end-of-day tie out of the blue.)
Unvote SBC
Vote Comrade Shamrock
'Avoiding a tie' when someone has two votes more than the next person is a complete non-reason to vote. They may have been pressed for time, but
Scripten doesn't offer any reason they'd think Shamrock was scum.
Now time to double down on the above suspicions. The only good thing about interminable D1s is that they offer us false-lynches. These are almost as informative as the genuine thing. If we look at who would have been lynched if the day wasn't extended:
Scripten:
Deus Asmoth:
Execute/Dumbo.exe: Scintillant
masked_krusader:
Comrade Shamrock: Persus13
RangerCado:
Scintillant: RangerCado
Superblackcat: Scripten, masked_krusader, Deus Asmoth, Comrade Shamrock
Persus13:
Not voting: Execute/Dumbo.exe, Superblackcat
Now SBC/Wolf flipped town, we know now that this would have been a mislynch. Following the trends, it's most likely that there was one scum on SBC's lynch and one scum off of it (quite possibly not voting).
Who had the weakest case on SBC?Was it Scripten?Scint: What thought process would you have if you were the JKer?
Hm.
Unvote Execute/Dumbo.exe
Vote Superblackcat
What sort of alignment-indicative information were you hoping to glean from an answer to that question?
Everyone: Superblackcat is probably scum. Note the difference between his play and Persus13's. Can everyone give me as in-depth a list as they can hack as to what SBC has contributed to the game?
Scum typically don't like to change their cases. Scripten keeps a page 3 vote on SBC and defends it later based on SBC's inactivity. Inactivity is terrible for games, but going after the most inactive player is the easiest scum tactic there is. Low-hanging fruit and all that.
Was it masked_krusader?Well, in that case, unvote.
I shall place my vote on SBC, if he doesn't post anytime soon.
This is just a weak pressure/placeholder vote made when someone else pressed krusader. I'm not impressed.
Was it Deus Asmoth?Extend, SBC. Execute is lurking too and seems more suspicious to me, but a scummy IC is more dangerous and Execute has at least made one vote.
Deus Asmoth is the third player on the 'SBC is lurking' wagon. Getting rid of lurkers D1 is an OK policy; but a much better policy is letting them be replaced out with active players. Was there really no better suspect at the time?
Initial Conclusions: Deus Asmoth wagonned on the SBC mislynch and didn't vote at all when Shamrock was mislynched. Masked Krusader was on both mislynches with somewhat suspect cases; Scripten was on both mislynches with even more suspect cases. Cheetah and Scintillant didn't have amazing cases against Shamrock but they had cases. Dorsidwarf stayed off both mislynches. I'd be interested to see who they think is scum now we've had some flips.
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