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[Sheb]

They have a lengthy article on this far-right website ("Socialist, Revolutionary, Nationalist and Continentalist") explaining their view if you want.

EDIT: Still browsing the far right interweb, I found this particularily WTF quote from the Facebook page of the "Brigade Continentale".


"I want to state that, answering the call of the "Brazilian Solidarity Front with Ukraine" (Which, despite its name, is pro-Russian), and Brigade Continentale, the armed branch of the Unité Continentale movement which is the synthesis of the Columbian FARC and Hezbullah"

Ok, it seems to be a google translation from a Brazilian article. Still, WTF?

[Knit tie]

To be honest, who else is going to go and volunteer but ultranationalists of various stripes?

A lot of Communists, moderate leftists and general Russia patriots/moderate nationalists and sympathisers volunteer as well, as far as I know. There's even an entire Communist battalion in LNR. If anything, ultranationalists are a fringe minority in the Novorossiyan army.

EDIT: Hezbullah!?
I mean, I can get the FARC, but Hezbullah?

Sheb, are you sure this is not some sort of joke?

[Sheb]

Frankly, I'd call a lot of the local communist ultranationalists as well. They're just Soviet nationalists. Even my new pet far-right party, the Unité Continentale call themselves communists sometimes. Although they want a "non-leftist communism", whatever that mean.

[miljan]

They have a lengthy article on this far-right website ("Socialist, Revolutionary, Nationalist and Continentalist") explaining their view if you want.

The thing is, there is nothing neo nazis about there in that writing, nor on the facebook. Its still standard anti nato globalization mambling.  Maybe its lost in the translation from google, I dont know. I guess because they quoted that Dugin dude you think they are neo nazis, as he seems also to be anti globalist so they used his quote?
But I would find it extremely funny if they are neo nazis fighting with groups that should be anti fascist/nazist.

[Sheb]

Actually, if you read their article, they themselves say that this whole "anti-fascist" stuff is bullshit propaganda. They're just there because it's a nice opportunity to bloody NATO's nose.

Never mind the fact that they aren't actually fighting NATO, but I wouldn't want to spoil their fun.

[Knit tie]

Frankly, I'd call a lot of the local communist ultranationalists as well. They're just Soviet nationalists. Even my new pet far-right party, the Unité Continentale call themselves communists sometimes. Although they want a "non-leftist communism", whatever that mean.

There are difference between post-Soviet countries' Communists and European Communists. For once, Communism in post-Soviet space is much more socially acceptable and used to be ubiquitous relatively recently, leading to it not being limited to a hardcore lunatic fringe. You can find some very rational, calm Communists 'round here, especially in villages.

@Sheb: I don't think that wanting to stick it to NATO automatically makes a man a neo-Nazi. They could be ordinary anti-globalists, as Miljan says.

[miljan]

Actually, if you read their article, they themselves say that this whole "anti-fascist" stuff is bullshit propaganda. They're just there because it's a nice opportunity to bloody NATO's nose.

Never mind the fact that they aren't actually fighting NATO, but I wouldn't want to spoil their fun.

Still dont see how you made a conclusion they are neo nazis. As they say neo nazis is not the real problem, but that nato is, as it will try to use all type of pawns. Thats how I understand it from the translation. I guess you jumped to fast  on conclusion they are neo nazis to use it here?

[Sheb]

Well, if a radical nationalist and socialist doesn't count as a neo-nazi in your book what does? Or is it the imagery that define a neo-nazi for you? I can call them fascists if you want.

[Knit tie]

Well, if a radical nationalist and socialist doesn't count as a neo-nazi in your book what does? Or is it the imagery that define a neo-nazi for you? I can call them fascists if you want.

A neo-Nazi is defined by his violent hate of some other nation(s) and/or race(s), which he sees as inferior to his own. If a guy only says "Hey, my nation's awesome, imma fight for it!", then he's a nationalist, a jingoist at worst.

If we define neo-Nazism as simply militant nationalism, then you'd better start practicing Sieg Heiling, monsieur "I will be on the barricades, defending my beloved EU from Putin!"

[miljan]

Well, if a radical nationalist and socialist doesn't count as a neo-nazi in your book what does? Or is it the imagery that define a neo-nazi for you? I can call them fascists if you want.

You said they support cleaning  Europe from all foreigners. Or that they liked some group or something. If they did, than they are neo nazis. So no, they are not. They are not even radical nationalist or socialist (anti NATO/anti globalist for sure can not be labeled like that). It looks like this is misunderstand on label type of that group that you tried too fast to label so the fighters that joined pro russian look even worse than they are now.

Also neo nazis is very different thing from radical nationalist and socialist (and you can find out what is what more clearly just by using google, as I did  but than again every region will have their somewhat unique definition).

[Sheb]

Well, the think is that the online footprint of that particular group is pretty small, so they don't have a manifesto or something. I do however know about the groups they're linked to, and the general ideology of those groups, because I like knowing my enemies and I spent quite some time reading up on the French-speaking far right.

I think that you're right and that I was a bit hasty in calling them neo-nazis, as they don't actually claims to be ideological descendant of the Nazi party (Although given the way some others on this thread have used the label, I don't feel too bad about this). Fascist is a closer fit I guess, although they generally dislike some of the more corporatist aspects of fascists, preferring outright state ownership of the mean of productions. They also don't have the kind of leader that can inspire a personality cult.

Tl;dr: Political labels never fit perfectly anyway.

[Knit tie]

These French guys are radical anti-globalists, how about we agree on that and end this discussion?

[Sheb]

I'll agree to that, but I get to pick the label the next time you find a group of far-right pro-Ukrainian people.

[Knit tie]

Sure thing. What do you call a group of far-Right Ukrainians that define themselves by being vehemently opposed to Russian nation and culture and identify themselves extensively with the German Nazi party and an organisation of racist Ukrainian nationalists that perpetuated several ethnic cleansings of both Jews and Poles and on many occasions collaborated with said German Nazi party?

[Sheb]

Radical anti-imperialists.