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[smeeprocket]

That is not the current state of things nor will it ever be (plus that seems fairly oppressive.)

It's just a way of dismissing the problem.

It's not even about your own personal issues with PDA. It's about the injustices targeted directly at the LGBTQIA+ community.

They can't even speak out about the things happening to them, they can't provide support for LGBTQIA+ youth or form counseling services or try to help each other in any way due to this law. Forget holding hands.

[Comrade P.]

That is not the current state of things nor will it ever be (plus that seems fairly oppressive.)

It's just a way of dismissing the problem.

It's not even about your own personal issues with PDA. It's about the injustices targeted directly at the LGBTQIA+ community.

They can't even speak out about the things happening to them, they can't provide support for LGBTQIA+ youth or form counseling services or try to help each other in any way due to this law. Forget holding hands.

Either my history knowledge sucks, or such attitude was a thing in 19th century - keep it private, whoever you are.

being russian is already dangerous in russia m8

"I have problems too" is not a good justification for anything.

Apply that to gays first.

[Knit tie]

P.: And in the USSR as well. It was one of the better things about it, in my opinion.

Smeeps: You are confusing law with social stigma there as well as grossly exaggerating the problem with homosexuals being unable to speak out, I'm afraid. Also, what does QIA+ stand for?

[smeeprocket]

That is not the current state of things nor will it ever be (plus that seems fairly oppressive.)

It's just a way of dismissing the problem.

It's not even about your own personal issues with PDA. It's about the injustices targeted directly at the LGBTQIA+ community.

They can't even speak out about the things happening to them, they can't provide support for LGBTQIA+ youth or form counseling services or try to help each other in any way due to this law. Forget holding hands.

Either my history knowledge sucks, or such attitude was a thing in 19th century - keep it private, whoever you are.

being russian is already dangerous in russia m8

"I have problems too" is not a good justification for anything.

Apply that to gays first.

Why apply it to gays first? You have the least problems of a society that distributes problems amongst everyone. And you are also the one making the statement in the first place.

You history knowledge is incomplete. Being gay has always involve stigmatization and oppression.

Having to deal with your own burdens does not exempt you from giving a shit about others, tbh.

edit: the law says any of that is propaganda. They have to keep silent, so yea they can't speak out. And you guys yourselves have specifically talked about the stigma attached to homosexuality, unless, of course you staid in the closet.

Queer Intersex and Asexual.

[Guardian G.I.]

Also, what does QIA+ stand for?

Queer, intersex, asexual, and plus means a truckload of other sexual identities discovered by people on tumblr.

[Erkki]

TBH it's "only" another one in Russia's list of weird laws. When I first read about it, I thought it would have been again just another law proposal made by some politician wanting publicity.

[Comrade P.]

Spoiler: Any organized movement for minority rights, this is how Russia reacts (click to show/hide)

Given the original context, it is perfect.

[smeeprocket]

Also, what does QIA+ stand for?

Queer, intersex, asexual, and plus means a truckload of other sexual identities discovered by people on tumblr.

Right, they are not real, they just exist on tumblr.

Because apparently everything rights related is just a fever dream of people that post on tumblr.

I'm always amazed at how heterosexuals can so easily invalidate and toss aside other peoples' gender and sexuality, without even considering that they will never have to experience the same thing.

Comrade, the best fights are not won easily. I'm not even saying you should protest in the streets, that shit is dangerous, fuck that.

I'm saying there are probably more subversive ways you can provide support. I am sure that goes for a host of rights issues.

[Sergarr]

the heterosexuals were so evil they banned any public mention of sex in USSR

any public display of sexuality - any sexuality - was considered indecent there

you can't explain that

[Knit tie]

Well I'm not denying that there's a stigma on homosexuality in Russia, I'm just saying that there should either be a similar stigma on heterosexuality or no stigma on any sexuality whatsoever for our society to be fair. But I will repeat myself: you are grossly exaggerating the problem with gays in Russia being unable to speak out.

Also, asexual? What kinds of problems with a non-rural society can asexual people possibly have?

And P., Sergarr, a question, since we are talking about that anyway: if you were to know a man who is gay, but keeps it to himself and to the area behind closed doors, would you treat him as any other man? Would you allow him to marry another similarly quietly gay man?

[smeeprocket]

the heterosexuals were so evil they banned any public mention of sex in USSR

any public display of sexuality - any sexuality - was considered indecent there

you can't explain that

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sorry, but that statement has its own meme.

I don't know about the rights of the LGBTQIA+ community during the Soviet Union, tbh.

But that is not the situation atm, I assume.

[Sergarr]

And P., Sergarr, a question, since we are talking about that anyway: if you were to know a man who is gay, but keeps it to himself and to the area behind closed doors, would you treat him as any other man? Would you allow him to marry another similarly quietly gay man?

Why would I disallow two persons from doing whatever they want to each other?

As long as it doesn't interfere with my life or thoughts, they can do anything they want.

the heterosexuals were so evil they banned any public mention of sex in USSR

any public display of sexuality - any sexuality - was considered indecent there

you can't explain that

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sorry, but that statement has its own meme.

I don't know about the rights of the LGBTQIA+ community during the Soviet Union, tbh.

But that is not the situation atm, I assume.

Soviet Union was so progressive/regressive that it's mainstay sexuality was asexual

everything else was frowned upon, including open displays of heterosexuality

[Comrade P.]

Well I'm not denying that there's a stigma on homosexuality in Russia, I'm just saying that there should either be a similar stigma on heterosexuality or no stigma on any sexuality whatsoever for our society to be fair. But I will repeat myself: you are grossly exaggerating the problem with gays in Russia being unable to speak out.

Also, asexual? What kinds of problems with a non-rural society can asexual people possibly have?

And P., Sergarr, a question, since we are talking about that anyway: if you were to know a man who is gay, but keeps it to himself and to the area behind closed doors, would you treat him as any other man? Would you allow him to marry another similarly quietly gay man?

Well, why not. I have no power to stop people from that, and why should I in first place. No chance for these folks to procreate in any way.

the heterosexuals were so evil they banned any public mention of sex in USSR

any public display of sexuality - any sexuality - was considered indecent there

you can't explain that

I don't know about the rights of the LGBTQIA+ community during the Soviet Union, tbh.

It didn't exist, therefore had no rights. There were mental institutions for those. Except maybe asexuals.

[smeeprocket]

Well I'm not denying that there's a stigma on homosexuality in Russia, I'm just saying that there should either be a similar stigma on heterosexuality or no stigma on any sexuality whatsoever for our society to be fair. But I will repeat myself: you are grossly exaggerating the problem with gays in Russia being unable to speak out.

Also, asexual? What kinds of problems with a non-rural society can asexual people possibly have?

And P., Sergarr, a question, since we are talking about that anyway: if you were to know a man who is gay, but keeps it to himself and to the area behind closed doors, would you treat him as any other man? Would you allow him to marry another similarly quietly gay man?

Well, why not. I have no power to stop people from that, and why should I in first place. No chance for these folks to procreate in any way.

the heterosexuals were so evil they banned any public mention of sex in USSR

any public display of sexuality - any sexuality - was considered indecent there

you can't explain that

I don't know about the rights of the LGBTQIA+ community during the Soviet Union, tbh.

It didn't exist, therefore had no rights. There were mental institutions for those. Except maybe asexuals.

what does the bold even mean, lol?

[Comrade P.]

They cannot have natural-born children who can learn from them for obvious reasons. Hopefully they won't be able to adopt a child, at least in Russia. They can hardly spread their way of life over anyone else given they do not show affection to each other in public.

Therefore, their happy gay couple will eventually die of old age in happiness, making it two less gays in this world in total.