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Sloth-Man96

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Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« on: November 04, 2014, 11:08:11 pm »

my dwarves won't bury two animals that starved in the meeting hall. Now the bodies are rotting and miasma is all over the meeting room. I've tried making coffins, but for some reason they won't put the animals in them, even after i make them available to only pets. I've also tried making a refuse pile outside the fort, but that didn't work either. Is there anything else i can do?
« Last Edit: November 07, 2014, 03:35:52 pm by Sloth-Man96 »
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 11:11:04 pm »

Set standing orders to gather outside refuse. Currently the inside/outside logic is flipped.
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 11:15:13 pm »

First, you might have to set your orders up for outdoor (which means indoor, there's a known bug there) rubbish collection. Hit {O} and change the orders over.

But I've had this happen with the odd dwarf corpse (and also with several goat hooves and yak hooves after a rather unfortunate incident, let alone the !!rotten!!reindeer!!cheese!!of!!disgusting!!miasma!!) and the truth is that some things just never get refuse-ed, or corpse hauled. As far as I can tell they were going to be hauled by someone who then didn't: Either because he got interrupted by a fight, got killed, got depressed, or just got confused. My older forts eventually (after a year of waiting) get the offending item walled off, and in some cases I have to dig a new section around for the dwarfs to get around the problem.

I've had people tell me it's a lack of dwarf discipline: But rotten bodies right next to the ones that get left, get hauled easily. I've had people tell me it's the indoor outdoor bug, but it happens indoors and outdoors with no discernable difference. Basically, the only viable (and it's not viable) solution to the problem is don't let Urist take the job if he's going to die, get hurt, or go insane. Or if he's about to get a Mood, either, for that matter...
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 11:20:16 pm »

Set standing orders to gather outside refuse. Currently the inside/outside logic is flipped.

So... how do i do that? sorry i'm still learning this game.
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2014, 02:29:33 am »

. I've tried making coffins, but for some reason they won't put the animals in them, even after i make them available to only pets.
They only put pets into coffins, i.e. animals that have been assigned to some dwarf as a pet, not tame animals in general. As the title says "Dead horse" I suspect those were not true pets? Those go into the refuse pile.
For yiur last question,  it is somewhere in the options menu, press O .
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2014, 04:51:55 pm »

Who's going to adopt a horse corpse? Sure it doesn't need to eat, but it smells funny and touching it can get you sick...

In seriousness though, if it was stray when it died, you can't bury it. You also can't butcher it, unless that was changed since 34.xx

if you want them out of the way ASAP, just make a garbage stockpile outside (i-g) and dump the corpse (k-d), the dwarves seem to prioritize this over normal item hauling, so it should be done fast

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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2014, 05:04:01 pm »

If you want them out of the way ASAP, just make a garbage stockpile outside (i-g) and dump the corpse (k-d), the dwarves seem to prioritize this over normal item hauling, so it should be done fast

And yet... It often isn't. Even if you change the inside/outside orders with "o" etc. They'll either prioritise it nice and fast, or they'll refuse to touch it, for years, until you get tired of it and wall it in years later, or the fort dies.
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 05:08:00 pm »

If you want them out of the way ASAP, just make a garbage stockpile outside (i-g) and dump the corpse (k-d), the dwarves seem to prioritize this over normal item hauling, so it should be done fast

And yet... It often isn't. Even if you change the inside/outside orders with "o" etc. They'll either prioritise it nice and fast, or they'll refuse to touch it, for years, until you get tired of it and wall it in years later, or the fort dies.
I've never had dumping not work, if it still isn't working, I would suggest forbidding then unforbidding it to see if it refreshes the dwarves noticing it....

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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2014, 05:49:48 pm »

If you want them out of the way ASAP, just make a garbage stockpile outside (i-g) and dump the corpse (k-d), the dwarves seem to prioritize this over normal item hauling, so it should be done fast

And yet... It often isn't. Even if you change the inside/outside orders with "o" etc. They'll either prioritise it nice and fast, or they'll refuse to touch it, for years, until you get tired of it and wall it in years later, or the fort dies.
I've never had dumping not work, if it still isn't working, I would suggest forbidding then unforbidding it to see if it refreshes the dwarves noticing it....

Done that.

Also, I un-designated it for dumping, forbade it, unforbade it, tried it again. Also, I

A few years later the fort died of werebeast attack. I'm serious when I say that if Urist is going to go moody, and you don't have materials for his mood, don't let him take on a task. He'll never ever finish the task he was doing before he went moody. Also, dwarfs won't dump something someone else planned to dump before they died. It's ...sacred. Or at least that's what I decided it must be.

I understand why Urist wouldn't dump the !!reindeer!!cheese!!, or put it in a rubbish pile, or in a food pile for that matter, but after the smoke cleared and it was just a charred rotten reindeer cheese... it was annoying how it just kept on pumping out fumes, but still no one touched it, there at the foot of the stairs. After a full year (I decided to wait that long just in case) I walled it in. It continued to make smog in its own little room for years afterward.

The corpses... I guess they just had no living relatives or friends? I don't know. There were over 100 dorfs living in that fort. No one moved the corpses, even the one propping the door open, let alone the one rotting on the middle of the forge room floor. Then there was a werebeast attack and that was over in no time at all, so onward to a new fort...

Current one has a Xcat leather dressX which has been sitting in the middle of one of the entry hallways for six months or so now. I think everyone who walks past it just doesn't want the responsibility. It has a stockpile that could take it only six squares away. Go figure. I am about ready to start marking that one for dumping, but I don't need to: It doesn't make smells, like reindeer cheese does, so I'm less concerned.
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2014, 05:55:33 pm »

Have you tried "cleanowned scattered" in DFHack to get rid of your undumpable items?
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2014, 05:57:33 pm »

Current one has a Xcat leather dressX which has been sitting in the middle of one of the entry hallways for six months or so now. I think everyone who walks past it just doesn't want the responsibility. It has a stockpile that could take it only six squares away. Go figure. I am about ready to start marking that one for dumping, but I don't need to: It doesn't make smells, like reindeer cheese does, so I'm less concerned.
Ah yes, rotting clothes. As far as I know they don't get hauled to the clothing stockpile once they're dropped... or any stockpile unless they're dumped...

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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2014, 06:11:18 pm »

Have you tried "cleanowned scattered" in DFHack to get rid of your undumpable items?

In my years of playing this game, never occurred to me to use DFHack for ANYthing. I don't even know if it's a mac addon. I don't intend to start downloading it, I'm sorry.  :-\

Current one has a Xcat leather dressX which has been sitting in the middle of one of the entry hallways for six months or so now. I think everyone who walks past it just doesn't want the responsibility. It has a stockpile that could take it only six squares away. Go figure. I am about ready to start marking that one for dumping, but I don't need to: It doesn't make smells, like reindeer cheese does, so I'm less concerned.
Ah yes, rotting clothes. As far as I know they don't get hauled to the clothing stockpile once they're dropped... or any stockpile unless they're dumped...

Actually, untrue. They count as "finished goods" despite the fact that they're unwearable, and usually get dropped into a bin eventually (it might take a few months) I tote bins of them to the merchants every season. I've definitely seen specific items of XclothingX that were scattered around the dining room make it to a bin, and then get sold. No problem. The occasional item, though, like this dress, just won't. For some reason. I think, I could be wrong, but I think it was a cancelled job which didn't get cancelled in my announcements list, and thus wasn't able to get retaken by someone else. It seems to be more frequent a problem if I have a depression, a mood, or a death.
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2014, 06:23:02 pm »

Ahh, the Mac might be an issue for DFHack, I use a PC, so I don't really keep up with that.

Check your stuff not getting dumped to see if it is still owned by someone.  There is a known issue with dwarves dropping their current socks -- still owned by them -- when they go for new ones or change into a military uniform.  No one will touch the owned socks, even if they are marked for dumping.  ("Cleanowned" removes the ownership status for objects, the "scattered" option does it for anything on the floor and not in a stockpile.)
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EDIT: I just remembered that dwarves can't equip halberds. That might explain why the squads that use them always die.

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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2014, 06:51:06 pm »

First, you might have to set your orders up for outdoor (which means indoor, there's a known bug there) rubbish collection. Hit {O} and change the orders over.

But I've had this happen with the odd dwarf corpse (and also with several goat hooves and yak hooves after a rather unfortunate incident, let alone the !!rotten!!reindeer!!cheese!!of!!disgusting!!miasma!!) and the truth is that some things just never get refuse-ed, or corpse hauled. As far as I can tell they were going to be hauled by someone who then didn't: Either because he got interrupted by a fight, got killed, got depressed, or just got confused. My older forts eventually (after a year of waiting) get the offending item walled off, and in some cases I have to dig a new section around for the dwarfs to get around the problem.

I've had people tell me it's a lack of dwarf discipline: But rotten bodies right next to the ones that get left, get hauled easily. I've had people tell me it's the indoor outdoor bug, but it happens indoors and outdoors with no discernable difference. Basically, the only viable (and it's not viable) solution to the problem is don't let Urist take the job if he's going to die, get hurt, or go insane. Or if he's about to get a Mood, either, for that matter...
Just tried what you said and it worked! I guess it was just glitched. Thanks a bunch, man!
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Re: Sooo my dwarves won't bury a dead horse.
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2014, 07:25:45 pm »

Ahh, the Mac might be an issue for DFHack, I use a PC, so I don't really keep up with that.

Check your stuff not getting dumped to see if it is still owned by someone.  There is a known issue with dwarves dropping their current socks -- still owned by them -- when they go for new ones or change into a military uniform.  No one will touch the owned socks, even if they are marked for dumping.  ("Cleanowned" removes the ownership status for objects, the "scattered" option does it for anything on the floor and not in a stockpile.)

I wonder if you can forbid the item then reclaim and dump them? In theory it should work. But for some reason my current map has a troll fur hood no one want to touch, for seven years. I tried forbid/dump/build stockpile over it, none of those worked.

BTW, I'm using DFhack so I'm not sure if it fixed the problem. I always go to their cabinets and D their tattered clothes. They'll eventually dump them,.
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