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[Subdane]

I heard talk about that you can play DF in Stonesense. I mean completely without restrictions. Can anyone verify or dischard this?

I haven't played DF in a very long time, but I kept my eyes on the development, because once you play DF those pesky dwarves and your insane ideas for a fort will keep banging around in your head

I absolutely love this game, and I would love if it was possible to actually play it with 3D graphics.

Thanks guys.

[Urist_McArathos]

Not as far as I know; I think it's still just a visualizer.  Granted, it can be set up to auto-update and follow what's happening in the game, so if you have the windows side by side or on two separate monitors it might be LIKE playing it in there, but I don't think commands can be issued through it yet.

[Dirst]

Towards the end of 0.34, the Stonesense team added an "overlay" option that would cause Stonesense to render inside the map portion of DF's screen.  You could poke at it with the mouse to change the cursor, and of course all of the DF keyboard commands would be reflected in the Stonesense image as well.  If I recall correctly, it was not able to display multi-tile designations properly but was otherwise playable.

The memory mappings necessary to do this in 0.40 have not been located yet, and honestly they are fairly low priority when the new incremental versions keep coming out so quickly.

Look for overlay to return when DF 0.40 has settled down a bit.  The devs may try to tackle multi-tile designations before releasing an overlay version, but I hope the perfect doesn't become the enemy of the good.

[Subdane]

Thank you for your quick responses. I will have to play DF in the near future again. So much has happened. Thanks again.

[omega_dwarf]

It was glitchy, in my experience. The cursor was hard to see and would always show up in a corner instead of in the center of the screen. The one dimensional thing kinda kills the benefit of stonesense for me, and it was just hard to play that way. For me at least.

That being said, it did run ludicrously faster than the 2D multilevel thing. Which doesn't really make sense, but whatever.

This was all in 0.34.11.

[Max™]

Worth noting that multilevel is much better nowadays and puts very little extra strain unless you're running like 10 or more levels visible on a map with tons of spires and such, not even sure how bad it would be then, I kept playable framerates for a while when I did an aboveground magma piston with a 20x18x15 block, which then traded places with a glob of magma the same dimensions and collapsed.

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[Subdane]

Thanks for the responses guys.

Gnomoria is in no way as good and complex a game as DF, but what draws a lot of people to give it a try rather than DF, in my humble opinion, is the graphics.
When I suggest to friends that they should give DF a go, and explain about the graphics or lack thereof, they immediately abandon the idea.
DF is such a fantastic, rich and great game, and the only downside in my opinion is the graphics.

Gnomoria is nice and fun but it's no dwarf fortress despite graphics :-)

[Voidlord]

Thanks for the responses guys.

Gnomoria is in no way as good and complex a game as DF, but what draws a lot of people to give it a try rather than DF, in my humble opinion, is the graphics.
When I suggest to friends that they should give DF a go, and explain about the graphics or lack thereof, they immediately abandon the idea.
DF is such a fantastic, rich and great game, and the only downside in my opinion is the graphics.

Gnomoria is nice and fun but it's no dwarf fortress despite graphics :-)

In some aspects gnomoria is a bit more complex, especially with armour, you need to make bars into armour plate (2 bars each), leather straps and padding, where as in df, you just need bars and fuel, of course dwarves say screw comfort anyway. Stills are more complex to build requiring 3 barrels a chair and a table, I think...
Of course df is a hell of a lot more complex in a lot of areas, different ores, more plants, more animals and all round a better more enjoyable game, especially with the engravings and artifacts

[MDFification]

Thanks for the responses guys.

Gnomoria is in no way as good and complex a game as DF, but what draws a lot of people to give it a try rather than DF, in my humble opinion, is the graphics.
When I suggest to friends that they should give DF a go, and explain about the graphics or lack thereof, they immediately abandon the idea.
DF is such a fantastic, rich and great game, and the only downside in my opinion is the graphics.

Gnomoria is nice and fun but it's no dwarf fortress despite graphics :-)

The big difference in complexity to isn't that Gnomoria eliminated a few steps in some production chains to make gameplay go faster but that Gnomoria does not nearly match the depth of DF's phsyics engine, worldgen, or easy modding capability.

In some aspects gnomoria is a bit more complex, especially with armour, you need to make bars into armour plate (2 bars each), leather straps and padding, where as in df, you just need bars and fuel, of course dwarves say screw comfort anyway. Stills are more complex to build requiring 3 barrels a chair and a table, I think...
Of course df is a hell of a lot more complex in a lot of areas, different ores, more plants, more animals and all round a better more enjoyable game, especially with the engravings and artifacts

[Skuggen]

The problem with the "Dwarf Fortress, but with better graphics" concept is that the simple graphics are more or less a requirement for the simulation complexity.

[Max™]

Yeah, trading out things like having the world capable of generating fascinating backstories and completely unexpected events, dorfs getting into fistfights and carrying the scars for years afterwards as part of their own history, having the unbelivable array of options and choices to pursue during play as one sees fit, and all the other richness and depth which the game generates on the fly... for a shiny package just doesn't seem worth it.

We can already apply our own graphical changes to this game, downgrading everything else for a graphical "upgrade" which we probably wouldn't even be able to readily change kinda misses the point of the game.

[smeeprocket]

Thanks for the responses guys.

Gnomoria is in no way as good and complex a game as DF, but what draws a lot of people to give it a try rather than DF, in my humble opinion, is the graphics.
When I suggest to friends that they should give DF a go, and explain about the graphics or lack thereof, they immediately abandon the idea.
DF is such a fantastic, rich and great game, and the only downside in my opinion is the graphics.

Gnomoria is nice and fun but it's no dwarf fortress despite graphics :-)

I strongly disagree. Part of my love for DF is the graphics and I hope it never changes. Maybe for people who never played other rogue-likes it means nothing, but they all have their own random craziness, and it is even more weird and surreal because of the ASCII graphics.

There are a ton of tilesets you can get that some people like. To me they look confusing and ugly. I have seen some I liked but when I tried them out they were just too busy. The best part is those tilesets are opt in and I can keep my nice ASCII graphics.

I recently stopped playing Elder Scrolls Online. I was dealing with high end, incredible graphics. But the dev decisions were one poor choice after the other and a potentially good game just ended up being generic and disappointing. I will take low end graphics and meaningful, robust play any day of the week. Also, while the playerbase was more tolerable than MMOs like EQ, it still had its nasty element. This community is, from my experience, fairly awesome.

The kind of people that play for graphics would honestly not be happy with a low end 3d DF anyway. It wouldn't pull in that much more of an audience. Most people either want top end graphics (and deal with the sacrifice in gameplay and content) or just don't care about graphics or like low end ones. I realize ASCII is extra step down, but the tilesets nullify that step,