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[SlyStalker]

How can inexhaustible be barely enough?

Such is the strength of the foul enemies of the Imperium, no matter which way you see it.

[martinuzz]

I would like the tabletop warhammer, if it wasn't a game reserved for the super rich. If someone can donate me a few 1000 euros, I can buy a starter set and play with you. I did enjoy Dawn of War (1) though.

EDIT: also, that is an awesome avatar, slystalker

[Neonivek]

I would like the tabletop warhammer, if it wasn't a game reserved for the super rich. If someone can donate me a few 1000 euros, I can buy a starter set and play with you. I did enjoy Dawn of War (1) though.

EDIT: also, that is an awesome avatar, slystalker

1000? Can you show me where you are finding such cheap figures?

[oldark]

Starter armies go around 200 bucks (american) secondhand.   I got my first 750 points for $150 and have probably spent another $350/400 getting up to 2500 points of army.  Some armies are cheaper than others though.

[Ghazkull]

*settles down and starts stroking his beard* Stay a while and listen while i tell you of the wondrous time of the 3th and 4th edition when an ork squad of 30 models still cost 30 Euros and you had an good army with just 100 to 200 euros...ah or was it D-Mark (German Marks)? Its so long ago i dont even remember.

Seriously though recently i found that ork boys cost 30Euros for 10 Models which pissed me off to no end. The sheer ridiculousness of the prices is just laughable.

[Krevsin]

I rather enjoyed the Ciaphas Cain novels. Those at least have a sense of humour about them.

Otherwise, I tried playing WH40k and gave up halfway through painting my first Space Marine squad.

[Digital Hellhound]

Oh, 40k literature provides a lot of quality (and some not so quality). I'm afraid that if GW self-destructs, they'll take Black Library with them.

I'm hoping forever that GW allows someone to make that dream-game Inquisitor RPG (instead of morality scale, Puritan-Radical scale, mmm). We already have tons of Inquisition-related material (Eisenhorn, DH), and you could straight-up copy popular RPGs, no-one's asking for anything revolutionary for gameplay.

[nenjin]

Oh, 40k literature provides a lot of quality (and some not so quality). I'm afraid that if GW self-destructs, they'll take Black Library with them.

I'm hoping forever that GW allows someone to make that dream-game Inquisitor RPG (instead of morality scale, Puritan-Radical scale, mmm). We already have tons of Inquisition-related material (Eisenhorn, DH), and you could straight-up copy popular RPGs, no-one's asking for anything revolutionary for gameplay.

I'm afraid of this, personally, because I think it'd turn out as Mass Effect: Inquisition Edition. Nothing would suck the life out of a 40k RPG faster than all the tired dialog tropes of games like ME, Dragon Age, and so forth.

[gimlet]

There was this thread: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=41454.0   - a few years old, but what are a mere few years in the millenia of constant struggle against Chaos?

Interesting this should come up, I bought the Dawn of War I & II collections when they were on sale last month.  I played through the 1st 2 campaigns, and they were OK but a bit easy on normal. Then I went to install the 3rd one (Dark Crusade) and found I already owned it from shortly after it came out, and remember bailing out about 1/3 of the way through the campaign 'cause it was so bastardly.  Not really "hard" after I got the hang of it, but a repetitive slog through unfair setups.  This time I put it on hold after about 6 turns,  I have failed the Emperor again :p  I did finish Chaos Gate, back in the day, and a fair few rounds of the original Space Hulk (The briefing voice just killed me - "You will face 20 billion gene stealers.  One squad should be sufficient."

I almost got seduced into the tabletop, but yeah GW is just completely bastardly on the pricing.  Every time I started planning to start an army the bottom line was a real shock.  If I pay that much for a vehicle, I think I should be getting something that I can actually drive!   On top of I don't paint well, I hate painting, I HATE painting, and I don't want to pay for painting.  And the WH players at the local places tended to be, uhh, on the lower end of the socially functional scale.  I like the setting, it's a great justification for completely over-the-top carnage, but as a game - I dunno.

And that's why Chaos subsists...

[Urist McScoopbeard]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

[Farce]

I dig the setting, but don't into the tabletop.  IG and Orks are my favorites.

I've got a Dark Heresy character, though.  Noble Adept, from some planet where everything is grey, so and thus dyes everything in loud and obnoxious colors.  Tri-color hair!  Not the grimmest of dark, but nobles gonna be extravagant right.

Skaven from WHF are top-tier, though.

[nenjin]

Obligatory, for those living under a space rock: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142620.msg5589236#msg5589236

Perhaps the fluffiest 40k game made, to date.

[Retropunch]

I'm a fan of the setting and really enjoyed the Eisenhorn novels. The Black Library stuff isn't exactly high-brow (and some is just cringe-worthy), but it has some consistently good 'action books'. I'd also suggest playing the Chaos Gate series for anyone interested in Turn Based Tactics,

The tabletop is just excruciating in the cost though. I remember going to the Games Workshop museum/factory a long, long time ago when it was reasonably priced and really enjoyed it - they seemed to have a much different mindset about it then, as now it just seems to be an exercise in money grabbing.

Case in point: When I used to play a few matches in the GW shops way back when, they'd let people use random bits stuck onto basic Space marines (which were pretty plentiful and cheap) to denote different or more expensive models (as long as it looked vaguely right  - although we did make cardboard bikes). Whereas when I took a family member recently they wouldn't let them use anything but the 100% correct figures and made them feel like shit for not having all the right stuff. This was apparently a rule from headquarters or something, and it definitely seemed as though there had been a mentality shift.

[nenjin]

Case in point: When I used to play a few matches in the GW shops way back when, they'd let people use random bits stuck onto basic Space marines (which were pretty plentiful and cheap) to denote different or more expensive models (as long as it looked vaguely right  - although we did make cardboard bikes). Whereas when I took a family member recently they wouldn't let them use anything but the 100% correct figures and made them feel like shit for not having all the right stuff. This was apparently a rule from headquarters or something, and it definitely seemed as though there had been a mentality shift.

It's called WYSIWYG, or What You See Is What You Get. It originally started as a tournament guideline so people couldn't walk into official GWS tourneys with garbage and win the fairly expensive prizes.

But as the corruption spread through GWS, they made it the standing rule at all their stores, so that anyone playing there was spending money. GWS employees are some of the most aggressive employees I've ever seen in retail.

Not that it matters anymore, GWS can't afford to have standalone shops for their products anymore, anywhere except the UK.

[Retropunch]

It's called WYSIWYG, or What You See Is What You Get. It originally started as a tournament guideline so people couldn't walk into official GWS tourneys with garbage and win the fairly expensive prizes.

But as the corruption spread through GWS, they made it the standing rule at all their stores, so that anyone playing there was spending money. GWS employees are some of the most aggressive employees I've ever seen in retail.

Not that it matters anymore, GWS can't afford to have standalone shops for their products anymore, anywhere except the UK.

Ahh a good bit of background - definitely puts it into perspective. It's a shame that it spread to the store games though - I think they'd have kept a lot more business if they'd have been a bit more relaxed about stuff.

I'm really hoping they don't fizzle completely though - I imagine GW will drag all the IP down with them and it'll mean that they'll just be no GW stuff (games/books) instead of the mediocre stuff we have now.