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MrCompassionate

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Millitary and some other things.
« on: November 02, 2014, 09:18:46 pm »

Firstly, I would like a definite, certain way to make dwarves train and not stand around in circles doing individual Combat Training. I have literally tried everything, all the things people say solve it? Don't. Never managed it even in forts that go on for years and years. Sometimes I get luck and they do it, most of the time not. Speaking of which...

The morale system is awesome and all, now even my mostly trained and professional soldiers are cowards. Mostly what happens is that 5 guys rush a monster and they get a few hits in, then somebody gets scratched and everybody runs and lets that one guy die a gruesome death even though if they all teamed up and defended their fallen friend it would be easy. Then they run back and forth, attacking one at a time and getting picked off in the process rather than team up making an otherwise dangerous but easily winnable fight literally impossible. I don't have any suggestions as to how to solve this apart from that when the squad runs they seem to run all the way out my fort for no reason and then run all the way back down, which seems a bit much, it kinda looks like it's actually a glitch because they still have station order and they don't even seem distressed or anything they just determinedly run for miles.

Thirdly in adventure mode I can't find where any of the monsters or bosses are because every time I ask anybody about anything they refer me to another person but half the time they have no idea where said person is. I love the new conversation system but this is just unnecessarily obtuse.

Fourthly Trading and all Trading related tasks should be top priority over literally anything else. I mean, Maaaybe station and attack orders but anything non-military or non-urgent should be outclassed by trading. Because watching the broker spend a whole season eating, drinking, sleeping, having a break, moving a personal item, getting dressed, indevidual combat drill (ok lets remove him from millitary) feeding patient (no somebody else can do that, get your arse to the depot) cleaning (stop that) no job (WHAT! You have access to the depot, you are requested there, you are a broker and you STILL won't go?! Now you are thirsty again?!) Caravans have departed (NOOOO I needed that food and booze to survive out here!) Ect.
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Re: Millitary and some other things.
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2014, 08:45:57 am »

While that was true in .40.01, I don't think it is now. Once dwarves are adequate in their respective weapon skill, they do start sparring quite frequently. They don't do it all the time, but that is intended. Even the instructing thing works quite well now. In fact, too well. I would actually prefer that they wouldn't become so strong so quickly...

But why does individual training bothers you so much? I get that sparring is important, but there is more to combat than that
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Re: Millitary and some other things.
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2014, 06:26:53 pm »

I don't have of these problems, my dwarves usually group on the one enemy and bash him so many times he can barely get in a attack or 2.
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Re: Millitary and some other things.
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2014, 06:51:31 pm »

Individual combat drills ARE training, not sure what you're talking about. . . In fact, they increase Discipline, which is what stops your dwarves from running around in circles over a scratch.
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Re: Millitary and some other things.
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2014, 08:14:01 pm »

While that was true in .40.01, I don't think it is now. Once dwarves are adequate in their respective weapon skill, they do start sparring quite frequently. They don't do it all the time, but that is intended. Even the instructing thing works quite well now. In fact, too well. I would actually prefer that they wouldn't become so strong so quickly...

But why does individual training bothers you so much? I get that sparring is important, but there is more to combat than that

So to respond to people (but I'll quote your's because its the biggest, I'm refined like that) I have played some more of the new version and here are the results.
I
Can't
Get
These
Numbskulls
To
Train
It's absurd! There must be something I am missing I suppose. At first I thought it was because it was set to "mixed" even though I kept selecting training but then I fixed that and it still didn't work. So then I thought it was the Armor stand being bugged so I made a different one the barracks but then *that* didn't work either so then I tried turning them onto pure training alert mode instead of my custom made month by month training scheme but that didn't work either. There are (or were, some died just recently)  about 6 or 7 of them half of which are skilled/competent/professional ect. It's a grabbag of random well trained troops who stand in sparse clusters in the barracks swinging swords around without learning much of anything. They don't do demonstrations or sparring, just drills.

I must admit my previous assumption that they were not learning anything at all from Idv Combat Training was a misjudgment because back in the old version my guys would literally go rusty while doing drills. In fact I have (over the course of years and years) seen some of my guys actually learn combat skill during drills. One guy went from being No Skill to Dabbling within only a year so it's pretty much a runaway success.

It's interesting to know that nobody else has this problem, I must be doing something wrong. Can anybody explain it? (I don't talk to other DF players much).
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Re: Millitary and some other things.
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2014, 07:43:02 am »

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trading. Because watching the broker spend a whole season eating, drinking, sleeping, having a break, [/quote]

Go to the depot, context menu, hit "b" to switch from "require broker" to "anybody may trade". Problem solved. The broker's skill in appraising determines whether you get to see item values, that's the only in-game use of the position. For actual trading, just take whichever dwarf is free and willing, insisting on the broker has no appreciable benefits.

Dwarfs not training properly: are you sure you activated your military? They must be on active duty and _probably_ need to be under training orders with minimum attendant counts of two or more (can't do demonstrations for yourself or spar without a partner).
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2014, 09:03:10 am »

There must be something I am missing I suppose.

You need a military.
You need to activate the military.
You need a military schedule set to train.
You need barracks.
You need to set the barracks so the squad in question can train there.

If you only have individual training going on, this looks like a deactivated squad. Because deactivated squads do exactly this, they go to the barracks and do individual training, but they do this strictly as an individual leisure activity (remembering good old times) because officially they are demobilized.