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[Cheeetar]

Here's what I know, Shakerag: The reason you haven't told me what that means is you're worried I'd act in a way that is negative to your wincon. Which means it's possible that your wincon contradicts with my own, and that roleclaiming to you would fuck me over.

[4maskwolf]

Jim Groovester: I was already running damage control on the whole king thing, what with letting SBC assume what he would about the nuclear sirens to coerce his cooperation with the majority.  As such, should the majority agree with the lynch target, I would expect a town hammerer to follow the majority, even if they did not agree.

Additionally, my second point against you is that you wanted me to help shorten out the day when I was avoiding doing so SPECIFICALLY so that people had time to see the change in the lynch.  Attempting to not give people time to see a change in the lynch is NOT a townie thing to do.

[Jim Groovester]

Here, 4maskwolf, we'll play a game of Choose the Tone Of Jim's Response. I wrote both these posts in response to you, but I wrote the Angry Rant first and then the Calm post after I realized that being angry about it was a waste of time. Of course, both of them come across as sarcastic (and indeed, even offering the choice between the two is deeply sarcastic as well), but I'll let you choose which one you like as they both convey the same information. I think the Angry Rant one is funnier, but to each his own.

Spoiler: Calm (click to show/hide)

So what I gather from your points is that it's okay for you to do things that you find scummy in other people. I guess it's good to know you're a hypocrite, but whatever. If you parade around and claim to do it in the name of majority consensus I guess that makes it all okay.

I would like to point out the irony in accusing me of violating the sacred majority consensus. It takes a majority consensus to get a shorten, you see, and without votes people shortening was their way of expressing assent to a mastahcheese lynch. And then you unilaterally changed the vote to something you preferred better. At the end of the day. Truly, indeed, the majority's interests was an issue close to your heart when you made that decision.

Why did you change your vote to SBC at the end of the day? You never explained why that was preferable to a mastahcheese lynch.

Spoiler: Angry Rant (click to show/hide)

Jim Groovester: I was already running damage control on the whole king thing, what with letting SBC assume what he would about the nuclear sirens to coerce his cooperation with the majority.  As such, should the majority agree with the lynch target, I would expect a town hammerer to follow the majority, even if they did not agree.

"It's okay when I do it but not okay when Jim does it."

Additionally, my second point against you is that you wanted me to help shorten out the day when I was avoiding doing so SPECIFICALLY so that people had time to see the change in the lynch.  Attempting to not give people time to see a change in the lynch is NOT a townie thing to do.

No, fuck you, the day had already dragged on forever and ever and ever before that point. If you wanted to change your vote to SBC you could've done that at any point beforehand instead of immediately after everybody started shortening the day. There was a whole weekend where nobody posted which was the perfect opportunity to do whatever it was you were going to do.

Here's the fucking deal: you know what it takes to get a shorten through? A majority consensus. It says so in the rules. Since only a precious few people had a vote that day everybody shortening was their statement that a mastahcheese lynch was an acceptable choice. But, nooooo, this wasn't good enough for 4maskwolf. He had to come in with his three votes and his big town balls and swing them around and knock everybody down and change the lynch target to something he preferred better.

So for all your talk of how I as hammerer was going to take the game into my own hands and violate the sacred majority consensus, you did something worse.

Regardless of your choice, I still want to know your reasoning for choosing SBC at the end of the day, and what made him a more preferable target than mastahcheese.

[4maskwolf]

I read both, and I agree that the angry rant is funnier.

Frankly, most of the problems people had with mastahcheese were re: his blowing up of Toaster and the baiting of said person.  While I can agree that was mastahcheese did was not good move for so early in the game (along the lines of Webadict daykilling his RVS target in that one paranormal game or whatever that was), and his baiting bordered on making me pull my hair out (and I wasn't even involved in the questioning), nothing there struck me as "this is a scum gambit, not a town gambit".  Whereas SBC reacted to the threat of nuclear destruction with immediate "oh my god okay I'll do what you want can you call off the nuke", which struck me as far worse.  He was so damn interested in saving his own skin it was ridiculous.  As such, I voted for the person I found the most scummy and, here's the kicker (and I'm going to put it in bold so you don't miss it this time), I voted to give other people a chance to react.  Yes, you read that right: I made an action and allowed the input of others before said thing (the lynch) went through.  Which, amazingly, you've managed to overlook repeatedly in my posts, simply latching onto the fact that I did, in fact, change the lynch target.  And had the majority preferred a mastahcheese lynch to an SBC lynch, I would have relented.  Some people, however, seemed ambivalent as to which of them was lynched, and as such I shifted the lynch to the target of the two that I wanted, and gave people time to react to said action and protest if they wanted something different.

[Toaster]

I am totally okay with a mass claim, mostly because I have no idea what's going on.


I am Shakerag, Lord of Time and Space.  I indeed win when all anti-Shakerags are dead.  Since almost everyone seems to be a Shakerag (and I have no partners) I can only assume that Shakerag is roughly town.

I have a bunch of cool abilities.  I can queue any of my abilities to happen at a specific time. 

Day: I can change the voting scheme to be any of the following:

• Normal Voting
• Shakerag Voting.  This comes with no explanation and a disclaimer to not use it.
• Secret Ballot.
• Duel, a la Wizard's Duel
• Negative voting, where everyone also has a negative vote
• Ranked voting, where everyone gets three votes, each worth 3, 2, and 1.

As a 4-shot any time, I can target someone.  Non-investigative actions they perform take place two phases BEFORE.  Investigative actions take place two phases later.
As another 4-shot any time, I can either skip the next day, the next night, or immediately end the day.  I was planning on using this plus Fortress Mode and the daykill to give us a huge number of lynches in a row, but then Mastahcheese.

Next was the DF role I claimed earlier- that was my submitted role.  As stated, it's gone now.  The only thing I didn't claim was the wincon, which was that I won if the fortress was overrun (or any other way).  I didn't do anything with it since TolyK implied that involved either everyone dying or there being more elephants (!) than players.

Finally, I have The Gun.  I can target anyone or myself with it.  Still tempted to self target with it.


By the way, I'm no longer maimed as of end of D2.

D1 I "shot Cheeetar."  You all saw the results.
No actions until N2, in which I targeted Cheeetar with the time screw ability.  The result was I got the "Cheeetar wins you lose" role two phases ago, which caused the weird win/loss shenanigans.

The role also tells me who the Cheeetar is.  Per that, the Cheeetar was Cheeetar, then Shakerag, then Cheeetar.  Also, right now I lose unless Cheeetar wins, so someone is getting this role soon.  The and/or changes there.

If it's not obvious, I want Cheeetar dead because he's claimed he looks like a Shakerag but really isn't.  I must conclude he's anti-Shakerag and therefore my enemy.

[4maskwolf]

If that's your wincon, Toaster, then how do you propose we get rid of Shakerag the player?  He's apparently immune to lynches and actions.

Additionally, what you've said about Cheeetar actually makes sense as to why he is reluctant to reveal his role to us.

unvote ZU, vote Cheeetar Cheeetar Cheeetar.  I think most of the active players (as in, those who appear to still be playing the game) have roleclaimed, it's your turn.

In the spirit of cooperation, I'll reveal my last two actions:
Cardboard box: A free night action that states that I temporarily night out in a cardboard box.
Time to box: A free targeted night action that punches the target's face.  OUCH.

[4maskwolf]

EBWOP: I should also clarify, with that I have claimed everything there is to know about my roles.  My last role does not have a wincon attached.

[Toaster]

I don't know.  Something he does makes him targetable.


A more interesting idea is the idea of nightkilling someone, then protecting them the following night to resurrect them.

[4maskwolf]

I don't know.  Something he does makes him targetable.


A more interesting idea is the idea of nightkilling someone, then protecting them the following night to resurrect them.

Huh.

Huh...

That might just work.

Have you asked TolyK if that would work?

[4maskwolf]

TolyK: can dead players be targeted with actions?

[Jim Groovester]

Toaster, so if somebody has a day protection and you cast your time wizardry on them, feasibly flabort could be resurrected and I can fully investigate him like I apparently should have?

[Toaster]

Yes, and yes.


Also, I'd like to correct one thing.  For Duel Voting, I can frame the terms of the duel.  Rock Paper Scissors, Chess, freestyle rap, anything that can be done online.

And the Gun didn't have a wincon.


Jim:  Yes.  I'd want to be sure that day protects work that they (since day actions don't all happen at once like night actions do.)

[4maskwolf]

Okay so,

I'd like to start this post by asking Jim Groovester to use his inspection power on me, to determine the veracity of the following statement.

As of the end of N2, I am now town and cult.  Meaning that I must complete both the town wincon and the cult wincon.

This was a major frustration to me, and I certainly vented in the cult chat after my conversion.  At that point, I believed I was now in a no-win situation.  However, checking with TolyK revealed an interesting fact: I will win if I am the last player alive, simultaneously triggering the town wincon and the cult wincon in all players with those wincons.  As such, I have become what can best be described as a benevolent serial killer: if I am the last player left alive, both the town and cult win the game simultaneously.

I would request that Jim Groovester examine the contents of my role, so as to confirm that my wincon is indeed what it says.  I promise on my honor and life that I have no abilities as of the time of this writing, nor know of any I would gain in the future, that would harm you for doing such a thing.

No, I won't tell you who the other cultist(s) are, I'm not that dumb.  I know EXACTLY what happens if I do that.

[Cheeetar]

Claims so far:

Spoiler: 4maskwolf (click to show/hide)

Role 1: The Shakerag, the Shakerag, and a few handfuls of Shakerag more
Wincon: Town
(N) Duel [target 1, target 2]: Kill target one, protect target two
(A) Three films: I have three lives
(A) Three characters: I have three votes, each of which may be used individually

Role 2: Registered Observer
Wincon: none
(A) Registered: This gives me access to the registered voter chat
(D) Vote Observer [t/self]: I determine how many votes the target has.  Used on Persus D1: 1 vote.
(N) Action Observer [t/self]: Determine who the target actions that night.

Additionally, I'm going to claim the two actions and the auto that I've taken advantage of so far from my other role:

White Box: Basically sets of nuclear alarms for the target (What I used with SBC to try and force his cooperation with the majority rule).

Black Box: Shortens the day for the target (used on Jim Groovester).

Voting Box: Auto that means that my votes are counted properly no matter what, the auto that allowed me to vote yesterday when there was a king.

In the spirit of cooperation, I'll reveal my last two actions:
Cardboard box: A free night action that states that I temporarily night out in a cardboard box.
Time to box: A free targeted night action that punches the target's face.  OUCH.

Spoiler: Toaster (click to show/hide)

I am Shakerag, Lord of Time and Space.  I indeed win when all anti-Shakerags are dead.  Since almost everyone seems to be a Shakerag (and I have no partners) I can only assume that Shakerag is roughly town.

I have a bunch of cool abilities.  I can queue any of my abilities to happen at a specific time. 

Day: I can change the voting scheme to be any of the following:

• Normal Voting
• Shakerag Voting.  This comes with no explanation and a disclaimer to not use it.
• Secret Ballot.
• Duel, a la Wizard's Duel
• Negative voting, where everyone also has a negative vote
• Ranked voting, where everyone gets three votes, each worth 3, 2, and 1.

As a 4-shot any time, I can target someone.  Non-investigative actions they perform take place two phases BEFORE.  Investigative actions take place two phases later.
As another 4-shot any time, I can either skip the next day, the next night, or immediately end the day.  I was planning on using this plus Fortress Mode and the daykill to give us a huge number of lynches in a row, but then Mastahcheese.

Next was the DF role I claimed earlier- that was my submitted role.  As stated, it's gone now.  The only thing I didn't claim was the wincon, which was that I won if the fortress was overrun (or any other way).  I didn't do anything with it since TolyK implied that involved either everyone dying or there being more elephants (!) than players.

Finally, I have The Gun.  I can target anyone or myself with it.  Still tempted to self target with it.


By the way, I'm no longer maimed as of end of D2.

D1 I "shot Cheeetar."  You all saw the results.
No actions until N2, in which I targeted Cheeetar with the time screw ability.  The result was I got the "Cheeetar wins you lose" role two phases ago, which caused the weird win/loss shenanigans.

Spoiler: Jim Groovester (click to show/hide)

I am Agent Shakerag, FBI
-Wincon: Town (all threats to the town are eliminated) OR anti-anti-Shakerag (all anti-shakerag roles are eliminated)
-(N) Sting Operation (t₁,...,t_n): If all the targets have the same alignment, they die.
-(N) Recon (t): Investigates a player role's role. Also introduces my role name to them.
Ultra Street Fighter IV
-Wincon: <none>
-(A) 1337 skillz: There is a 5.1% chance that actions fail against me.
-(A) Punish: If an action fails against me the actor gets punched.
-(N) Finish (t): If a target has been punched, they die.

On Day 1 I received the following roles from flabort:

Role that allows additional uses of actions
-Wincon: I win in any other way AND all genies are freed.
-(A) Magic Lump: I have a genie in a lump.
-(3-shot) Free Use License: Allows me to use any non-auto action at any time, including night actions during the day and day actions during the night.

The role that makes its owner win if it's Cheeetar and otherwise does nothing
-Wincon: I win in any other way OR I am a Cheeetar.
-(Free) Catch (t): Gives the role to the target.
-(A) Catch-32: The role cannot be given to Cheeetar, under penalty of dire circumstances.

I gave the Cheeetar role to Shakerag on Day 1 and used two shots of Free Use License inspecting and then killing flabort on Day 1.

Last night I tried to kill Shakerag twice since he's anti-Shakerag. Apparently I could not even target him. Fortunately my last shot of Free Use License did not get used up.

Questions:
4maskwolf, you can self target vote observer. You could give yourself infinite votes, but instead chose to give Persus 1 vote on Day 1. Why? Is there something about your ability that you're not telling us?
Why, also, do you claim that all of the active players have roleclaimed when I can only see three?
Why is your wincon only listed as 'town'? What exactly does that mean- all mafia players dead? My wincon doesn't mention anything about town or mafia- in fact, I'm not sure if they exist.
Why are you voting for me with three votes to get me to roleclaim, yet you're perfectly fine with ZU not roleclaiming?

[4maskwolf]

What, Cheeetar?

I determine how many votes the target has as in INSPECT how many votes they have, not DECLARE how many votes they have.  An easy mistake to make, given my wording.  Persus13 indeed only has one vote, as my D1 inspection of him revealed.