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[zombie urist]

ZU:  Do you not agree that no nights is town friendly?

I guess it is but its actually pretty relaxing to go several real life days without having to post. And since the lynch got messed up and Flabort's flip is incomplete it still feels like D1.

Jim why did you decide to knife Flabort even though he was getting lynched?
Toaster why would we want the game to stay more DF than mafia?

1. Jim explained why he did this. Do you dislike his explanation? Do you think he's lying? What is it that bugs you about his actions, if anything?
2. This seems like you dislike it. Why?

1. I missed it. 2. See above.

[zombie urist]

Well. It seems like the Shakerag himself has come, along with his spirit(spirits?)! Most excellent.
Unfortunately, you all must've come here with different goals. However, I assure you, it is most possible to cater to everyone's needs.

FWIW, this part of the opening post seems to support what Shakerag said about everyone being able to win.

[TolyK]

Alright. SBC is never going to lynch himself, so- 4maskwolf. You screwed us out of the lynch we wanted and excused it poorly. Why should we keep a loose cannon around?

Why not?

[Jim Groovester]

I suppose SBC and Jim need to work together to figure out who to splatter today.

Yes. He can vote who I like or I can immediately daykill him.

I am the night.

Oh, wait, never mind. 4maskwolf's got the threat of impending doom on him. I don't need to add on to it.

Jim why did you decide to knife Flabort even though he was getting lynched?

I inspected him and he had an unclaimed power that saved him from death once per phase. I suspected he might try to use it to avoid being lynched, since he hadn't claimed it.

So I shot him.

I inspected him because of what Shakerag said and that flabort claimed he had a passive censored ability titled 'How everybody wins.' Then I got back things like this:

<censored>
<bzzzzzzt>
<bazinga>
<nope>
<hahalol>
<omgwtfbbq>

As descriptions for his passives. So I judged that the censored autos probably didn't do anything and that they were jokes meant to screw with flabort and that we wouldn't be losing out on much if he were dead.

So that's why I shot flabort.

I've never made such a severe misplay in mafia and excused it because "I had to go do stuff". Your excuse is not valid- you need to acknowledge culpability.

Will him admitting fault somehow make him less scummy?

I don't see what extracting a mea culpa out of him accomplishes.

Alright. SBC is never going to lynch himself, so- 4maskwolf. You screwed us out of the lynch we wanted and excused it poorly. Why should we keep a loose cannon around?

Do you think 4maskwolf knew about the effects of the lever pull beforehand?

TolyK, what happens if the king is dead?

[Cheeetar]

I've never made such a severe misplay in mafia and excused it because "I had to go do stuff". Your excuse is not valid- you need to acknowledge culpability.

Will him admitting fault somehow make him less scummy?

I don't see what extracting a mea culpa out of him accomplishes.

I don't expect scumhunting him to progress well until he owns up to his decisions (instead of excusing them as beyond his control). I can't very well question him about something he did if he refuses to even acknowledge that his actions were completely his own.

I need to talk about his motives and reasoning in doing something- he hasn't been giving these, and instead has been putting forth pretty poor pleas to his situation. (From his abcd post- he wanted to stop playing, he didn't know what it would do, he didn't know what it would do, and 'fuck'- none of these explain his actions.)

Alright. SBC is never going to lynch himself, so- 4maskwolf. You screwed us out of the lynch we wanted and excused it poorly. Why should we keep a loose cannon around?

Do you think 4maskwolf knew about the effects of the lever pull beforehand?

I think there's a possibility that he did, and it's important to keep in mind. Don't take 4mask at his word when he says he didn't know what it would do.

[TolyK]

TolyK, what happens if the king is dead?

He loses all his votes, since he's... dead.
The remaining players, who are probably still alive at this point, may use their votes (if they have them) to determine the person to hammer.

[Jim Groovester]

I think there's a possibility that he did, and it's important to keep in mind. Don't take 4mask at his word when he says he didn't know what it would do.

That's not what I asked. Do you think he used the power knowing what it did?

[Cheeetar]

I think there's a possibility that he did, and it's important to keep in mind. Don't take 4mask at his word when he says he didn't know what it would do.

That's not what I asked. Do you think he used the power knowing what it did?

I don't know. I have no 'yes' or 'no' answer for you- I'm sorry.

[Jim Groovester]

Isn't that a pretty critical factor in deciding whether 4maskwolf is scummy for it? If you don't think so then you're voting him for being irresponsible. (Well, not really voting, but whatever.)

Yeah, what 4maskwolf did was horribly irresponsible, but being irresponsible and being scummy are not the same thing.

[Cheeetar]

There are two real possibilities I can see:
4maskwolf was knowingly irresponsible (he knew he didn't know what the hell it did, but did it anyway without any discussion or sticking around to see what would happen)- scummy
4maskwolf did it knowing he'd screw over the lynch- scummy

[4maskwolf]

There are two real possibilities I can see:
4maskwolf was knowingly irresponsible (he knew he didn't know what the hell it did, but did it anyway without any discussion or sticking around to see what would happen)- scummy
4maskwolf did it knowing he'd screw over the lynch- scummy

I did stick around, but TolyK didn't process the action for an hour and a half. Also, I have no evidence that my lever pull was actually related to the lynch being screwed.

So basically, you're saying "fuck you you irresponsible ass" because I don't have AN HOUR AND A HALF to spare. My apologies for HAVING A LIFE!

[Shakerag]

Proposal:  Let's just drop the hammer on Persus13 and spare some poor soul the agony of having to replace in and read over this gigantic clusterfuck. 

[Persus13]

Proposal:  Let's just drop the hammer on Persus13 and spare some poor soul the agony of having to replace in and read over this gigantic clusterfuck.

I'm useless without nights anyway.

[mastahcheese]

I'm kinda inclined to agree with Shakerag's idea because fuck if I even know what to think anymore.

[TheDarkStar]

Cheese: Why are you, with no reasoning, agreeing to lynch someone?