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[4maskwolf]

Yeah yeah, pipe down or I'll stick your "we know better" up where the sun doesn't shine  (I'm just kidding, btw).

[Cheeetar]

I get it, TolyK. You designed the game. Would you quit being so gleeful with the fact that some of us are having trouble understanding something you explicitly designed to be hard to understand?

[Toaster]

I've sent off a PM to TolyK to see if it'll work with day actions, since they're asynchronous.

Yes, it'd work.  If someone can day protect, I can cause it to happen yesterday and save Flabort.  I'm going to verify which action needs to happen first (pretty sure mine.)


Are we sure we want to?

[Jim Groovester]

I tried to inspect flabort. I got Shakerag's role instead.

Spoiler: Shakerag's Role (click to show/hide)

Definitely Not Shakerag
-Wincon: No Shakeregs remain in the game (except the player Shakerag)
-(A) Unkillable: Shakerag can't die because he's not really supposed to be here.
-(A/5-shot) Anyone but Shakerag: Shakerag can choose to change his name to any player. Everything that targets this player targets Shakerag instead, including votes. Shakerag can choose to change his name back to Definitely Not Shakerag. While Shakerag is named Definitely Not Shakerag votes against him count towards lynching him.
-(A) Impossibility Frontier: If there are more Shakerags left in the game than players, the game breaks. And Shakerag dies. Apparently.
-(D) I'm Not Shakerag: After using this ability Shakerag can post "I'm not Shakerag" to earn +2 karma.
The KYOSN role that is unkillable
-Wincon: <none>
-(A) Really Unkillable: Shakerag can't be killed, murdered, killed, destroyed, pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. Basically he can't be killed. Also the pushed, filed, stamped, etc. thing is from the Prisoner, not from his role PM. I'm paraphrasing here.
-(N) Too Unkillable for Me (t): The target is jailed, i.e. protected and roleblocked. Also Shakerag can send a message via moderator.

He can't be killed but if I'm reading his role right he can be lynched.

So, flabort, and by flabort I of course mean Shakerag, why are you redirecting all actions targeted at flabort to you?

Here I am trying to see flabort's autos, notably the one where everybody wins, only to find out that you're apparently trying to make that not happen.

Are we sure we want to?

Well, it occurred to me just now that two phases ago is Day 2, not Day 1 when I killed flabort. So doing this time magickry may not be possible.

[Cheeetar]

Are we sure we want to?

Not sure anymore re:Flabort apparently being Shakerag.

[Jim Groovester]

He can't be killed but if I'm reading his role right he can be lynched.

Never mind, I should read closer.

Really Unkillable has lynching as something that can't happen to him.

[Cheeetar]

By lynching Flabort while Shakerag is Flabort, do you think that would succesfully lynch Shakerag (would his unkillable still block that)?

[Jim Groovester]

I don't know.

Really Unkillable probably has some kind of catch because it's one of those silly role submissions that tries to break the game.

So it could work, maybe. But I have no way of knowing for sure just based on the inspection results alone.

Supposedly there's also hidden parts of his role as well that don't get revealed by inspection, so who can really say what lynching him will do.

[Shakerag]

Cheeetar:

I don't want to claim because: The omnipotent Shakerag wants me to claim but is withholding information until I claim. This is probably because he wants to decide if he tells me what 'the real Shakerag' means or not, because I may or may not have a wincon opposing his. So: I don't want to take my chances with the omnipotent deity? I don't know what the real Shakerag means to him. Could you quote where Shakerag roleclaimed?

Because I want to make sure you're on the everybody-win-wagon rather than trying to screw everyone else over to win. 

And, no, that would not lynch me.  Well, at least, I wouldn't die. 

Jim Groovester:
No, you saw everything there is to see about my role.  At least, everything that I'm aware of.  Also, thanks for blowing my cover re: flabort. 

Why am I redirecting actions from flabort to me?  Because I didn't think you guys were going to be regularly targeting dead people, that's why.  If you really want to target flabort for something then I can change that redirection.

But, hey, at least you confirmed that I was telling you the truth with my earlier roleclaim now! 

[Jim Groovester]

Yeah, can you go do that so I can go inspect flabort (or at least try to) like I originally wanted?

[Cheeetar]

Cheeetar:

I don't want to claim because: The omnipotent Shakerag wants me to claim but is withholding information until I claim. This is probably because he wants to decide if he tells me what 'the real Shakerag' means or not, because I may or may not have a wincon opposing his. So: I don't want to take my chances with the omnipotent deity? I don't know what the real Shakerag means to him. Could you quote where Shakerag roleclaimed?

Because I want to make sure you're on the everybody-win-wagon rather than trying to screw everyone else over to win. 

And, no, that would not lynch me.  Well, at least, I wouldn't die. 

Alright. Seeing as Jim claims you don't have any kills- "WINCON: You win when Shakerag dies."
I'm >95% sure that this isn't in reference to the faction Shakerag- my confusion was because TolyK explicitly told me that Shakerag was not Shakerag. I assume this is because of your weird redirection stuff where you're someone else- now I think that Shakerag is Shakerag, but I have to do kill Flabort again or something to kill him, or he's made Flabort Shakerag, or something bullshitty.

Spoiler: My Role & Actions (click to show/hide)

I am Fakerag.
Wincon: You win when the real Shakerag dies.
[A] Fake: You look like Shakerag to everyone, but you aren’t actually Shakerag.
[A] The Real One: You are told who Shakerag is at the beginning of each day from Day 3 onwards.
[N] Rags to Ditches: You kill the target.

The role I submitted was "The Role That Makes You Lose Unless Your Username Is Cheeetar (In Which Case It Makes You Win)"
WINCON: You win when Cheeetar wins in any way. This changes when given to other players.
[A] Cheeetar: Being clever enough to submit a Shakeragian role with your name in it to a Shakeragian game, you are told who Cheeetar is. Useful, huh?
[N] Now You Lose [t]: You give this ability away to Target. Have fun!

Night 2: I gave Toaster my submitted role so he'd be my ally. Thinking process: Maybe this will stop him wanting to kill me?

If you can figure out a way where we can both win, I'm willing to hear you out.

[zombie urist]

Since Flabort is "The Real Shakerag" and he dies doesn't that mean you win? Unless he has to die while being "the real shakerag"? Do you know who Cheeetar is? There seems to be a difference between "The Cheetar" and Cheeetar the player, just like with Shakerag.

Roleclaiming might be bad for me, but oh well.

I am the CEO of Shakerag Co. Flabort is apparently my ally (I didn't know this) so it would be kinda cool to have him revive.
Wincon: Town (all anti-town eliminated) AND eliminate the FBI agent before he wins. (I guess this means Jim needs to die after doing his "AND" conditions but before the "town" wincon if we both want to win. This is also why I said roleclaiming might be bad for me)
a - Not corrupt at all (t) - Steal targets vote.
n - Corporate buyout (t) - Steal a secondary role.
Secondary role - Bean Counter
a - Many underlings - I can use this roles night actions for free
n - Stock check (t) - I can see how many 2ndary roles the target has
n - Compound Interest (t) - I can see if the target has a compound (AND/OR) wincon.

Last night I stock-checked Jack (he has 1 secondary role) and Corporate bought-out Vector. The role I stole from Vector was:
Roman Concrete
a - Mason once, mason for life - Anyone who gets this role has access to mason chat. Currently only me and Vector are there
n - Fortify (t, self) - 1 shot kill immune
n - Quick dry (t, self) - Target is roleblocked and can't join in discussion until someone actions him/her.

[Cheeetar]

You used two actions last night, Zombie Urist?

[Cheeetar]

Oh. Right. The auto. Bluhhhh that was stupid of me.

[Jim Groovester]

(I guess this means Jim needs to die after doing his "AND" conditions but before the "town" wincon if we both want to win. This is also why I said roleclaiming might be bad for me)

I don't mind that much actually. I don't need to be alive to win and I need to die to fulfill the genie freeing wincon, unless somebody wants to take the role away from me.

You'll understand if I don't want to die until we at least have some idea of what's going on and what we're supposed to be doing, of course.