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Author Topic: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs  (Read 30821 times)

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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #210 on: November 02, 2014, 02:38:54 pm »

History suggests it is a phase all religions go through - kind of a rebellious teenage angry phase involving kicking and screaming before a calm maturity which understands such things are not good for the long term settles.

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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #211 on: November 02, 2014, 02:39:30 pm »

... yeah, when you say that killing the weakest of a (your) nation is the blackest of evil, and then turn around and say you should slaughter the entirety of another nation (including, of course, their weakest) that's about as hypocritical as hypocritical can get.
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« Reply #212 on: November 02, 2014, 02:44:21 pm »

... yeah, when you say that killing the weakest of a (your) nation is the blackest of evil, and then turn around and say you should slaughter the entirety of another nation (including, of course, their weakest) that's about as hypocritical as hypocritical can get.

Nope. a condemned reaction, yes, but its also an understandable reaction, actually. especially considering they didn't actually slaughter them.

And if you take into account the times then, those israelites probably thought that evilness is a genetic trait or something in the amalekits, so they wanted to uproot it.

History suggests it is a phase all religions go through - kind of a rebellious teenage angry phase involving kicking and screaming before a calm maturity which understands such things are not good for the long term settles.

Still waiting for islam to mature then.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #213 on: November 02, 2014, 02:54:17 pm »

Or Christianity. Or Judaism, if we're judging entire religions by their extremists. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today. What fraction do you think actually comprise the extremists? Or even the states currently engaged in religious/political warfare?
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #214 on: November 02, 2014, 02:56:34 pm »

Yea, with  Islam you just have to wait for them to learn to ignore certain parts of their religion like everyone else does.
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« Reply #215 on: November 02, 2014, 02:58:29 pm »

Which... the vast majority already do, by and large.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #216 on: November 02, 2014, 03:00:57 pm »

History suggests it is a phase all religions go through - kind of a rebellious teenage angry phase involving kicking and screaming before a calm maturity which understands such things are not good for the long term settles.

At least all western religion. Judaism went through it in ancient times, and Christianity went through it in the middle ages
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« Reply #217 on: November 02, 2014, 03:02:45 pm »

Which... the vast majority already do, by and large.

When the minority is 200-300 million people, that's not comforting at all. the fact the vast majority are silent about it, is far more troubling.
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« Reply #218 on: November 02, 2014, 03:08:33 pm »

But implying a need for removing an entire religion based on (well, any number, but especially) such a small faction is overreacting to the extreme. And that 200-300 million figure assumes that the entire population of certain nations are extremists or are in unanimous support of said extremists.
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« Reply #219 on: November 02, 2014, 03:16:29 pm »

No, that's assuming 10-20% of all muslims are supportive of radical islam and extermists.

And its not just that "small" (Small almost the size of the united states small) figure. its the vast majority who are silent on this issues.

Where are the mass muslim protests against ISIS? where are the mass muslim protests against women inequality in the middle east?

And i'd say we are at the stage where we should remove all religions, not just islam. islam is just the most dangerous of them all.

(And don't confuse belief and/or faith with religion).

We should look at it practically and ask what had religion gave us and whether its still needed at this stage.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #220 on: November 02, 2014, 03:22:08 pm »

Where are the mass Jewish protests against murdering baby seals? Clearly Jews support torturing animals!
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #221 on: November 02, 2014, 03:27:48 pm »


Where are the mass muslim protests against ISIS?


Here is a small selection of stories.

This might cause cognitive conflict in you, BP. Or maybe not, depending on how deep your preclusions go.

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« Reply #222 on: November 02, 2014, 03:34:13 pm »

How can you assume that 10-20% of all Muslims are supportive? That's perhaps an even worse generalization than assuming entire nations.

There is, perhaps, a more interesting discussion to be had about the relevancy of religion in general, but you get away from that when you single any of them out.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #223 on: November 02, 2014, 05:18:29 pm »


Where are the mass muslim protests against ISIS?


Here is a small selection of stories.

This might cause cognitive conflict in you, BP. Or maybe not, depending on how deep your preclusions go.

That's not a mass protest. there were less than 50 people there. nothing like the riots when someone made a caricature of muhammad, or the anti-jews protests in europe.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #224 on: November 02, 2014, 05:24:18 pm »

Yea, that caricature thing was ridiculous. There were death warrants put out.
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