Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[smjjames]

I wonder if the other two major religions (Hinduism and Buhddism) ever had 'conversions by the sword' at some point'?

[Cheeetar]

HEY!
knock it off

YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE ELSE, TAKE IT TO ANOTHER THREAD OR LEAVE IT AT THE DOOR

There's no need for us to shout, here. Perhaps you should take a break from the thread for a while?

[Frumple]

I wonder if the other two major religions (Hinduism and Buhddism) ever had 'conversions by the sword' at some point'?

Yup.

E: Honestly, all the major religions and a host of the minor ones have had periods where they and their spread were propped up by pretty nasty material support. Whether it's the religion hijacking the state or the state hijacking the religion (or both) is debatable, but the influence of force on the spread of religious belief is pretty close to ubiquitous.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

HEY!
knock it off

YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE ELSE, TAKE IT TO ANOTHER THREAD OR LEAVE IT AT THE DOOR

There's no need for us to shout, here. Perhaps you should take a break from the thread for a while?

I was trying to stop a fight
they had crap from outside the thread and I don't want any of it

[Mictlantecuhtli]

This might be of interest: a rebuke of ISIS by leading Islamic scholars (Including people with name as impressive as "Sultan of Sokoto" and "Grand Mufti of Egypt", "Grand Cheikh of the Sufi Tarifah", and a whole bunch of academics and scholars)

5- It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of contemporary times when deriving legal rulings.
6- It is forbidden in Islam to kill the innocent.
7- It is forbidden in Islam to kill emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats; hence it is forbidden to
kill journalists and aid workers.

Sergarr:This post.

10- It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat—in any way—Christians or any ‘People of the
Scripture’.

I've just read through this and some of the insights are pretty revealing for me... It's quite lengthy and Islamic scholars can be very long winded, but it's a good read.

[smjjames]

Also, I'm curious, since Hinduism and Buhddism both have scriptures of their own, would the abrahamic religions consider them 'people of the scripture too'? I realize that the term refers to the abrahamic scriptures as a whole, but if you remove the 'book' part of it and just go by religious writing, would that include those two other major religions?

Though maybe Buhddism would be a bit iffy because it's kind of more along the lines of philosophy, but then again, you could claim Jesus's teachings to be philosophy as well.

[burningpet]

I wonder if the other two major religions (Hinduism and Buhddism) ever had 'conversions by the sword' at some point'?

You mean between them? or by external religions?

I wonder if the other two major religions (Hinduism and Buhddism) ever had 'conversions by the sword' at some point'?

Yup.

E: Honestly, all the major religions and a host of the minor ones have had periods where they and their spread were propped up by pretty nasty material support. Whether it's the religion hijacking the state or the state hijacking the religion (or both) is debatable, but the influence of force on the spread of religious belief is pretty close to ubiquitous.

Citation?

[Frumple]

Eh... historically not, but theologically you can pretty easily fit either of them into an abrahamic framework. Buddhism doesn't really give a shit about the metaphysical (The buddha pretty specifically said that stuff doesn't matter, when it comes to his teachings), in most of its manifestations, so you have things like buddhist christians and whatnot with very little conflict. Similarly, hindu's whole brah-whatever can pretty easily latch on to YWHW/Streaker J/Allah as either an expy or manifestation.

Of course, the reaction from the abrahamic side of the equation tends to be somewhat more volatile and vitriolic. They... don't play well with others, doctrinally.

[smjjames]

I wonder if the other two major religions (Hinduism and Buhddism) ever had 'conversions by the sword' at some point'?

You mean between them? or by external religions?

I wonder if the other two major religions (Hinduism and Buhddism) ever had 'conversions by the sword' at some point'?

Yup.

E: Honestly, all the major religions and a host of the minor ones have had periods where they and their spread were propped up by pretty nasty material support. Whether it's the religion hijacking the state or the state hijacking the religion (or both) is debatable, but the influence of force on the spread of religious belief is pretty close to ubiquitous.

Citation?

I meant if they had ever done 'conversions by the sword', bad wording on my part.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Also, I'm curious, since Hinduism and Buhddism both have scriptures of their own, would the abrahamic religions consider them 'people of the scripture too'? I realize that the term refers to the abrahamic scriptures as a whole, but if you remove the 'book' part of it and just go by religious writing, would that include those two other major religions?

Though maybe Buhddism would be a bit iffy because it's kind of more along the lines of philosophy, but then again, you could claim Jesus's teachings to be philosophy as well.

People of the scripture is a rather direct reference to Jews in most cases. But usually the references are just to the other Abrahamic religions directly. The other references you'll find are typically disparaging stuff like 'Do not have multiple gods [Implied: YKNO LIKE SOME PEOPLE DO]' 'You are prescribed one life [Implied: UNLIKE WHAT SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE ~ HO HO HO]' which may or may not be a reference to the eastern religions, but I don't think there was many people crossing the Kush around the time when holy literature was written.


Correction, I now remember there is one less than ambiguous bit:

I will utter My judgments Against them concerning all their wickedness, because they have forsaken Me, burned incense to other gods, and worshiped the works of their own hands. (Jeremiah 1:16)

Incense is used in the eastern religions rather exclusively for religious purposes back then and can be considered a direct reference to the Indian gods. Or Zoroastrians. It's a bit hard to differentiate when they get so angry and vengeful in verses.

[TD1]

brah-whatever

Brahman.

[Frumple]

... statement was made like that because there's a brahma, a brahman, a brahmin, and... I think some other ones. Hinduism is very brah. And I've forgotten which mean what and am too tired to go check.

[burningpet]

Also, I'm curious, since Hinduism and Buhddism both have scriptures of their own, would the abrahamic religions consider them 'people of the scripture too'? I realize that the term refers to the abrahamic scriptures as a whole, but if you remove the 'book' part of it and just go by religious writing, would that include those two other major religions?

Though maybe Buhddism would be a bit iffy because it's kind of more along the lines of philosophy, but then again, you could claim Jesus's teachings to be philosophy as well.

People of the scripture is a rather direct reference to Jews in most cases. But usually the references are just to the other Abrahamic religions directly. The other references you'll find are typically disparaging stuff like 'Do not have multiple gods [Implied: YKNO LIKE SOME PEOPLE DO]' 'You are prescribed one life [Implied: UNLIKE WHAT SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE ~ HO HO HO]' which may or may not be a reference to the eastern religions, but I don't think there was many people crossing the Kush around the time when holy literature was written.


Correction, I now remember there is one less than ambiguous bit:

I will utter My judgments Against them concerning all their wickedness, because they have forsaken Me, burned incense to other gods, and worshiped the works of their own hands. (Jeremiah 1:16)

Incense is used in the eastern religions rather exclusively for religious purposes back then and can be considered a direct reference to the Indian gods. Or Zoroastrians. It's a bit hard to differentiate when they get so angry and vengeful in verses.

It was also used in Judaism and other local religions.

[WillowLuman]

I wonder if the other two major religions (Hinduism and Buhddism) ever had 'conversions by the sword' at some point'?

Hinduism and Buddhism are explicitly non-proselytizing religions, like Judaism, but of course doctrine has never stopped people with their own interpretation of it who want to spread their way of life, sometimes through any means at their disposal. Yes, there are even violent Buddhist extremist groups. Violence tends to happen when large groups of X people begin migrating to historically Y area, unfortunately.

Interestingly, at least today, no matter the religion, most of the leaders of a religion tend to condemn the violent sects for betraying the teachings.

[XXSockXX]

Also, I'm curious, since Hinduism and Buhddism both have scriptures of their own, would the abrahamic religions consider them 'people of the scripture too'? I realize that the term refers to the abrahamic scriptures as a whole, but if you remove the 'book' part of it and just go by religious writing, would that include those two other major religions?

IIRC the Muslim Mughal Emperors of India made Hindus (the majority of their subjects) "people of the book" by decree, so they could tax them.
That's a local exception though I think.

I wonder if the other two major religions (Hinduism and Buhddism) ever had 'conversions by the sword' at some point'?

Hinduism and Buddhism are explicitly non-proselytizing religions, like Judaism, but of course doctrine has never stopped people with their own interpretation of it who want to spread their way of life, sometimes through any means at their disposal. Yes, there are even violent Buddhist extremist groups. Violence tends to happen when large groups of X people begin migrating to historically Y area, unfortunately.

Pretty much this. Buddhism declined in India, due to a revival of Hinduism, but that was a peaceful transition, not like the Islamic conquests in the area.