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Author Topic: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs  (Read 30814 times)

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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2014, 08:30:44 pm »

Based on the same idea of god, sure. But I certainly don't worship Allah. Allah != Jehovah/Yahweh/Jesus/Whatever
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2014, 08:35:46 pm »

To be fair, it's mostly a name/claimed acestory thing. Christians generally worship a sort of "The YWHW Formerly Known as YWHW" (which, y'know, isn't really YWHW YWHW, because there's this weird triple-threat thing going on), Jews worship YWHW who isn't "The YWHW/Allah Formerly Known as YWHW", and Islam's doing its own "Allah Formerly Known as YWHW" thing (Or, I guess, more of an "Allah, the Actual Name of YWHW" thing. I've forgotten the particulars, there). The statement that they're the same god is more of a PR/proselytizing/attempt-to-theologically-1up move than anything that's substantially true.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2014, 08:38:20 pm »

They're all different gods. Yet another example of how Man makes the God, not God the Man.
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2014, 09:02:59 pm »

i was reading cracked and came across this awhile back. i think it fits the discussion.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18911_5-ridiculous-things-you-probably-believe-about-islam.html
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2014, 09:30:55 pm »

i was reading cracked and came across this awhile back. i think it fits the discussion.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18911_5-ridiculous-things-you-probably-believe-about-islam.html

I like this article
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2014, 12:25:49 am »

... yeah, I really don't actually care enough to go digging through the qur'an and muslim theology and whatnot to offer a position on the subject that

Ad hominem much? can't argue with facts so you try to attack the person?

Ill just remind anyone reading this response to go and read the quran, like, you know, i have.

what. wait what. no. burning pet...what.

Okay, okay, okay. First of all, Muhammad didn't preach anything like that. Here's what they thought about Christians and Jews.

Second of all...what. Can you quote me a passage from the Quran/Qu'ran/Koran that says that?

And third of all...that's not even close to what jihad means. Jihad is a struggle against evil. In defense.

A struggle against evil, in defense, hmm, is that why muhammad and his later successors proceeded to conquer the middle east, north africa, india and europe?

Lets start with just two small examples, because really, i don't have the time nor interest in proving something which is so obvious.
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). "

"And when you call to prayer, they (people of the scripture) take it in ridicule and amusement. That is because they are a people who do not use reason."

I really recommend people to go read the Quran, because a specific verse here and there is not enough. you need to read it entirely and witness it for what it actually is.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2014, 12:29:16 am »

I don't suppose you could provide a general summary for us?
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2014, 12:33:07 am »

did the christianity thread get locked, or are we broadening our horizons?

I wanted to add other religions to it but people didn't like that so I opened this one up

Citation needed? According to the poll, many more liked the idea than disliked it.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2014, 12:53:41 am »

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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2014, 06:30:30 am »

did the christianity thread get locked, or are we broadening our horizons?

I wanted to add other religions to it but people didn't like that so I opened this one up

Citation needed? According to the poll, many more liked the idea than disliked it.

I meant a couple people strongly disliked the idea and I saw where they were coming from so I just did this as a compromise
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2014, 01:10:25 pm »

Abrahamic religions include Judeism, Christianity, Islam

...Druze, Bahai, Regla de Ocha, Sufiism....
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2014, 01:34:38 pm »

Abrahamic religions include Judeism, Christianity, Islam

...Druze, Bahai, Sufiism....

We could list off every denomination of Judaism, Christianity and Islam in the same mention of Abrahamic followers too, but we stick to the main branches when referring to Abrahamic Religions to keep it from being an endless list of denominations.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2014, 02:10:15 pm »

Abrahamic religions include Judeism, Christianity, Islam

...Druze, Bahai, Sufiism....

We could list off every denomination of Judaism, Christianity and Islam in the same mention of Abrahamic followers too, but we stick to the main branches when referring to Abrahamic Religions to keep it from being an endless list of denominations.

IIRC the official position of the leaders of the Bahai Faith is that it is not a denomination of any of those faiths.
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2014, 02:35:17 pm »

there the OP is changed to just include everything not under those three
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Re: Abrahamic Religions; Discussion, Cross-reference, and Beliefs
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2014, 03:03:59 pm »

IIRC the official position of the leaders of the Bahai Faith is that it is not a denomination of any of those faiths.

It's a combination of all three.

Why not add Calvinism, Protestantism, Coptic Christendom to the list as well? Those have as much widespread influence and followers than the Bahai or Sufis.
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