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[Leatra]

Why and when did Muslims and Christians fought each other? Considering the fact they both believe in the same god. This one always bugged me.

Because the Muslims had a lot of wealth and the Christians wanted it. In fact you wouldn't think it now, but the middle east used to have an almost endless golden age.

In spite of what you hear in the rhetoric that religion is the cause of all war... It usually is just an excuse for much more simple reasons.

Oh, I knew it was an excuse. I was just curious about what started the aggression between common people.

I definitely wouldn't call them "the same god", though.

except, it definitely is the same god. Both faiths( 3 with judaism) worship the god of Abraham. The way they worship it in different ways and disagree strongly on prophets and messages. But they are all about the same entity.

Yeah. When you look at Europe and Middle East nowadays and in Medieval times, it definitely doesn't seem like the same God. Some of the things the trio disagrees on can be incredibly trivial when looked at from a very outside perspective.

[freeformschooler]

Some photos (because history is fascinating): http://www.pagef30.com/2009/04/iran-in-1970s-before-islamic-revolution.html?m=1

[burningpet]

Why and when did Muslims and Christians fought each other? Considering the fact they both believe in the same god. This one always bugged me.

Its because muhammad preached and ordered muslims to not trust jews and christians, that they don't think straight and that allah will punish those who are allied with them wicked beings who walk in error. he then moved on to call us apes and swines (although, some think the apes and swines curses are only for the jews, but in the context, i think it describing christians as well) all while preaching to form a jihad against non-believers (which he defined christians and jews as non-believers) and ordered to conquer and subdue them and burn in flame all those who disbelieve in allah and his messenger.

This is all written in the Quran, so not even the muslims can deny this. its a fact. the "Endless golden age" and "Crusades were only for stealing the muslims riches" however, are historic opinions which are still being debated by historians.

[4maskwolf]

Why and when did Muslims and Christians fought each other? Considering the fact they both believe in the same god. This one always bugged me.

Because the Muslims had a lot of wealth and the Christians wanted it. In fact you wouldn't think it now, but the middle east used to have an almost endless golden age.

In spite of what you hear in the rhetoric that religion is the cause of all war... It usually is just an excuse for much more simple reasons.

Religion in general seems to be the rallying cry for many wars that are mostly economic in nature.  Economics is something that only the trained understand, but you can rally the masses behind religion with ridiculous ease.  It has been seen again and again: those who are hardline about their religion will do anything to defend it.  This applies beyond the abrahamic traditions to any religion that's existed more than about 200-300 years.

[Frumple]

... yeah, I really don't actually care enough to go digging through the qur'an and muslim theology and whatnot to offer a position on the subject that isn't "slavering israeli islamophobe". So I'll just kind of idly remind anyone looking at just about anything BP has and/or will say on the subject of islam that the vast majority of muslim individuals -- and, indeed, countries -- have been no more or less intolerant of their neighbors (regardless of their religious inclinations) than basically anyone else. Especially in relation to countries in similar sociopolitical situations.

As any even remotely learned follower of an abrahamic religion will tell you, which parts do and do not get followed, to what extent, and under what interpretations and contexts, vary radically with time, culture, and so on.

[4maskwolf]

Why and when did Muslims and Christians fought each other? Considering the fact they both believe in the same god. This one always bugged me.

Its because muhammad preached and ordered muslims to not trust jews and christians, that they don't think straight and that allah will punish those who are allied with them wicked beings who walk in error. he then moved on to call us apes and swines (although, some think the apes and swines curses are only for the jews, but in the context, i think it describing christians as well) all while preaching to form a jihad against non-believers (which he defined christians and jews as non-believers) and ordered to conquer and subdue them and burn in flame all those who disbelieve in allah and his messenger.

This is all written in the Quran, so not even the muslims can deny this. its a fact. the "Endless golden age" and "Crusades were only for stealing the muslims riches" however, are historic opinions which are still being debated by historians.

What?

That entire first paragraph is actually highly untrue.

I don't have time to point out all of the fallacies in it right now, but rest assured that I will be back (if someone doesn't beat me to it).

... yeah, I really don't actually care enough to go digging through the qur'an and muslim theology and whatnot to offer a position on the subject that isn't "slavering israeli islamophobe". So I'll just kind of idly remind anyone looking at just about anything BP has and/or will say on the subject of islam that the vast majority of muslim individuals -- and, indeed, countries -- have been no more or less intolerant of their neighbors (regardless of their religious inclinations) than basically anyone else. Especially in relation to countries in similar sociopolitical situations.

As any even remotely learned follower of an abrahamic religion will tell you, which parts do and do not get followed, to what extent, and under what interpretations and contexts, vary radically with time, culture, and so on.

This.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Nice to see that this thread didn't immediately crash and burn
Nice work guys

[TD1]

Ptw

[Gnorm]

I definitely wouldn't call them "the same god", though.

except, it definitely is the same god. Both faiths( 3 with judaism) worship the god of Abraham. The way they worship it in different ways and disagree strongly on prophets and messages. But they are all about the same entity.

They are in theory the same God, though Mohammad made several contradictions to the Bible when he was preaching his Koran. The Moslem faith, therefore, has a very distorted image of God.

[Playergamer]

what. wait what. no. burning pet...what.

Okay, okay, okay. First of all, Muhammad didn't preach anything like that. Here's what they thought about Christians and Jews.

Second of all...what. Can you quote me a passage from the Quran/Qu'ran/Koran that says that?

And third of all...that's not even close to what jihad means. Jihad is a struggle against evil. In defense.

[4maskwolf]

I definitely wouldn't call them "the same god", though.

except, it definitely is the same god. Both faiths( 3 with judaism) worship the god of Abraham. The way they worship it in different ways and disagree strongly on prophets and messages. But they are all about the same entity.

They are in theory the same God, though Mohammad made several contradictions to the Bible when he was preaching his Koran. The Moslem faith, therefore, has a very distorted image of God.

*coughs*

No value judgements.  Perhaps you meant to use the word "different".

[Uristides]

ptw

[TheDarkStar]

PTW

[Gnorm]

I definitely wouldn't call them "the same god", though.

except, it definitely is the same god. Both faiths( 3 with judaism) worship the god of Abraham. The way they worship it in different ways and disagree strongly on prophets and messages. But they are all about the same entity.

They are in theory the same God, though Mohammad made several contradictions to the Bible when he was preaching his Koran. The Moslem faith, therefore, has a very distorted image of God.

*coughs*

No value judgements.  Perhaps you meant to use the word "different".

Perhaps it's best that I just leave.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Ya they all share the same god just different prophets and teachings and interpretations
Though said god is kinda different for each religion