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Author Topic: Was Anyone Ever Actually Offended By B.C./A.D.?  (Read 11633 times)

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Re: Was Anyone Ever Actually Offended By B.C./A.D.?
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2014, 05:57:36 am »

So basically what you're saying is "I interact exclusively with Christians".
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« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2014, 06:22:21 am »

If I ever see someone actually using the "CE/BCE" thing, I'm going to slap them in the face for being silly.
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Re: Was Anyone Ever Actually Offended By B.C./A.D.?
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2014, 06:24:52 am »

Anno Domini literally proclaims that Jesus is the Lord, and that the years belong to him.
Nope, it just means "Year of Lord". It doesn't specify that it's our lord, or that this lord is Jesus.
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Re: Was Anyone Ever Actually Offended By B.C./A.D.?
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2014, 06:31:39 am »

That's just being pedantic.  "B.C." explicitly specifies that the lord in question is Jesus Christ.  Also Anno Domini is short for Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi (The Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ) anyway.  And it's not like any other alleged messiah was born around that time.
If I ever see someone actually using the "CE/BCE" thing, I'm going to slap them in the face for being silly.
It's already in common usage, but good for you on being violent I guess?
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Re: Was Anyone Ever Actually Offended By B.C./A.D.?
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2014, 06:36:46 am »

So, what we basically have is a dating system which uses Babylonian estimations for seconds, minutes, hours days and the year, Roman months, Scandinavian days, and an Abrahamic reference frame which is somewhere around 4 to 6 years out on the event it uses as "zero". All running parallel with an Islamic calendar, a Chinese calendar, and Jewish one, amongst others.

Yeah, considering the layers of cluster-fuck, naming the zero point after the execution of bastard son of a carpenter who probably did not have divine powers helping him in some low level social disorder is really not a big deal.

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Re: Was Anyone Ever Actually Offended By B.C./A.D.?
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2014, 06:55:24 am »

Honestly, I'm not sure why non-christians would be bothered by a secular use of BC/AD (though yes, people, it is supposed to mean that the years "belong" to Jesus "reign") any more than anyone would object to the weekdays belonging to pagan gods and pagan sun/moon idolisations, or certain months being "devoted" to genocidal pagan god-emperors.

If I ever see someone actually using the "CE/BCE" thing, I'm going to slap them in the face for being silly.

Because of this I feel I need to clarify that while I have no objections to BC/AC/AD, I do not care if anyone chooses to call his years BCE/CE/CEO instead either :P
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Re: Was Anyone Ever Actually Offended By B.C./A.D.?
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2014, 06:58:35 am »

Anno Domini literally proclaims that Jesus is the Lord, and that the years belong to him.

Not really. It is Latin, meaning 'year of the lord' (domini is the genitivus of dominus = lord)
It does not mean 'year of our lord'. That would be Anno Domini Nostri.
It also does not mean 'year of Jesus Christ', that would be Anno Iesi Christi.
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« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2014, 06:58:48 am »

How about an AC/DC system, with 1973 as year zero?
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« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2014, 07:02:03 am »

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« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2014, 07:18:18 am »

Anno Iesi Christi.
Anno Iesu Christi. /pedantry
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« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2014, 07:19:49 am »

That would be "the year Jesus, of the Christ"
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« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2014, 07:25:40 am »

Nope - Iesu is the genitive.  "The year Jesus, of the Christ" would be Anno Iesus Christi, which sounds plain wrong.
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« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2014, 07:26:32 am »

It's short for Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi, it's generally translated to "year of our lord" and everyone knows it refers to Jesus so this is truly absurd pedantry.
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« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2014, 07:29:46 am »

It's short for Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi, it's generally translated to "year of our lord" and everyone knows it refers to Jesus so this is truly absurd pedantry.
So what? As has been stated above, August refers to a pagan emperor, and the German word for thursday - Donnerstag - quite explicitly means Donar's day, Donar being a heathen god. Yet I'm pretty sure even Benedict XVI used that word...
What a word used to mean and what it's taken to mean are two different things, is all I'm saying.
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« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2014, 07:33:10 am »

It's short for Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi, it's generally translated to "year of our lord" and everyone knows it refers to Jesus so this is truly absurd pedantry.
Unless Iesus is a very unregular, exceptional word that I never knew about, the genitivus of Iesus would be Iesi, not Iesu.

Also, in school we are taught 'Anno Domini'. Nothing about it being abbreviation of Anno Domini Iesi Christi. I think that's strictly a christian thing. First time I heard that.
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