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Nikow

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Bedroom, dining room and office for every dorf + tombs
« on: October 16, 2014, 09:55:39 am »

Hello.
I started new fort one day ago. This is very low population fort, because my civilation is slowly dying....
I have aquifer, though which i can't breach (i readed some topics, but some needs stone, other some special diging and i have no space for it) for now. Because this fort will fall pretty quickly, i start wondering what happend if i will give all luxury to all 10 dwarves.

Are common dwarves use they office? I saw my expedition leader who got his rooms first. Should i put cabinet only in bedroom or dworf will use it in dinning room or throne too? What about chests? Weapon racks and armor racks? Will dwarf using them?

What can i put into tombs? What will be used by dwarfs, what is not needed? I already had some minor accidents during diging, some dwarfs are wounded, some have broken and infected parts, but... They are not going to other worlds yet. I want be prepared, even if this will mean i will lose all equipment realated to this dorf... :)

Dorf keeper,
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2014, 12:20:00 pm »

tombs give dwarves happy thoughts because theyll have a resting place. And if they have a tomb assigned to them when they die they'll be put there.
Regular dwarves don't need offices, only manager and bookkeeper need them. Also its much better to build a single large dining room with many tables. It generates a better happy thought (becasue the dining room will be grander) than if they have their own personal one (which while niceley furnished, will pale compared to the communal dining hall)
Personal beds though are the only important 1, they like having their own rooms.

Cabinets are a down the line thing, that will generate more happy thoughts for your dwarves because they'll "admire" them from time to time (better if they are higher quality) Chests, weapon and ammoracks accomplish about the same thing that a cabinet will, you can also use cloth bags for this aswell.

Also for piercing an aquifer, all you need is wood, stone is not a prereq.
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Re: Bedroom, dining room and office for every dorf + tombs
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2014, 04:33:57 pm »

You could pierce the aquifer with only wooden products. Try looking here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144099.0 Or more specifically here: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Pump-stack_method

Plus you could just collapse your way through the aquifer like so: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Aquifer#The_cave-in_method which requires a lot less "know-how"! :D It also requires no wood or stone to do, just some picks.

I've not noticed common dwarfs using an office, but they all like having a dining room. They like having statues and cabinets, chests and bags in their rooms, dining rooms, and tombs. They like having engraved walls, but you can only engrave stone walls, so don't worry too much if you don't have stone. I always put statues and chests in their tombs as well, which they seem to like. Someone once told me that their death items will be buried in the chests, but I have not noticed that actually happen. Be careful of statues: They can block entrances.

Get one of your dwarfs to be a Chief Medical Dwarf, make a Hospital using "i", and you could have those injured dwarfs up and about soon enough.
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Re: Bedroom, dining room and office for every dorf + tombs
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2014, 04:57:13 pm »

I am not a noob. I play two or three years in DF.

To pierce aquifer i usualy using http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Double-slit_method, but it takes a lot of time. This time i was luckly, so there was only one layer, and it's pierced allready. The cave in methods needs plug made from normal layers, not build ones, so i was unable to apply it in this case. I will try this pump stack method next time (if i find some video tutorial on YT).

Chief Medical Dwarf is increasing chances for death from infections, i just stay with some wounded dwarves. And i am going to start like aquifers, because They are source of unlimited water for wells!

I just never paid attention how dwarves are interacting with furnitures other than in bedroom. I never saw my dwarves using weapon racks or armor stands, so i was curious, if They only adminirng them, or Theey are using them when they are off duty for example, and there is no space in barracks. I quess i will need check it alone...
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2014, 05:11:29 pm »

I've got a fort of 4 dwarves living so dirty-cheap they won't attract migrants, but they're happy in there :) I'm also in a world where the other dwarven sites are empty/defeated, so one of my 2 adult dwarves claimed King for himself.. He demands armor racks all the time, so he made armor racks until he could create masterwork-quality.. He can also make masterwork carpentry and food, and is a legendary miner.. Anyway, I pile every shiny armor stand into his room (he's got about 25 for now..) and I'm absolutely jamming the main hall with statues (100+ so far..)

I'm not sure if he loves his army of armor stands or not, but he's getting them anyway ;) And about aquifers, I dislike all the methods for piercing them (confession: I've never built/used a single pipe or pump..) so I'll either shut them off or embark with the knowledge that I may never have access to stone and ores.. My last embark was all above an aquifer, the dwarves living in grubby sand :> I had the edge of a mountain range in that embark and didn't know for quite a while that the aquifer ended at the edge of the mountain :O Then I relocated the entire fort down into actual rock and proceeded to smooth/engrave and fully furnish (2cabinet/2coffer/1table/1chair/1coffin/2statues and a personal food stockpile) bedrooms for 150 dwarves :> They were already ecstatic-level happy before this but it did end up adding "slept in a bedroom like a palace" moods for everyone..

Not sure at all if a regular dwarf will use an armor stand, though.. Wiki says military dwarves are supposed to prefer storing their armor/weapons on racks but use stockpiles instead (says dfhack has a script to fix this, but I've never used it..) All it says about non-military dwarves is using them to meet a noble's needs..
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Re: Bedroom, dining room and office for every dorf + tombs
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2014, 05:20:43 pm »

My apologies, Nikow. I guess that was patronising, when I was trying to be nice. A mistake.

I'm told there's a lot of bugs in the armour stand and weapon rack, which is apparently why my dwarfs never leave their armour there, and have serious trouble even putting their armour on. It would probably help if armour stands and weapon racks could be put with the armour "p" pile and weapon "p" pile. As it is, it's sort of disappointing and pointless...

I do know that they will go out of their way to use a nice table and chair though.

Even if they're not using the item, they still like it being there, if they own the room it's in, and it was built, not piled. I once just filled a room with chests and deeded the room to an annoying dwarf and it shut her up entirely, she was utterly happy after that, and yet she never even visited the room, even when off duty. The armour stands might be the same.
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2014, 06:33:25 pm »

No offence taken, Thisfox. As far as i saw, they need to be close to item to "admire it", but they are getting happy mood from just possesing things, even, if They rooms are shuted off by floodgate. Weird.

As far as i saw, even without booze and some hungry season, everyone are happy or estatic, just because They have all the rooms. Weird, but it's okey. Everyone have for now only:
Bedroom 3x3 in soil, with bed, cabinet and coffer.
Dinner room, with food and booze in hallway near housing area, only chair and table.
Office room, only chair and table (wood ones).

Thanks you for your input.
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2014, 07:04:21 pm »

So have you seen any of them use the offices, if they have an office?
I've seen even common dwarfs (even children) use a dining room if they have one, but I never seem to see the bookkeeper or the manager actually sit down and use their office, and for a while I gave an office to the Head Medical Dorf and he wouldn't use the office, just his dining room.

I gave a kid a pet snake in a cage once. It was hilarious watching the attendees at his party (or dorfs just walking past) go "Oooh, party  :D" then "aargh, a snake!  :'(" We had a lot of dwarves not all that keen on snakes, apparently. The snake "room" was small, but it was in a major walkway.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2014, 01:36:26 am »

You can assign dwarves individual sculpture garden.

And they would linger there when they idle.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2014, 05:58:19 am »

By giving everybody his own bedrooms and dining rooms you reduce their chances for socialising and thereby the severity of tantrum spirals..
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2014, 06:05:49 am »

So have you seen any of them use the offices, if they have an office?
I've seen even common dwarfs (even children) use a dining room if they have one, but I never seem to see the bookkeeper or the manager actually sit down and use their office, and for a while I gave an office to the Head Medical Dorf and he wouldn't use the office, just his dining room.

I gave a kid a pet snake in a cage once. It was hilarious watching the attendees at his party (or dorfs just walking past) go "Oooh, party  :D" then "aargh, a snake!  :'(" We had a lot of dwarves not all that keen on snakes, apparently. The snake "room" was small, but it was in a major walkway.
I saw two dwarfs chating in office, once, it can be just accident.
Set your bookkeper on detailed counting, so you will see him offten in his office. When Manager is sorting his tasks (change task without status to this with green tick), he is spending time in office on chair.

And i had three accidents, who prevent me from science for some time, my Founder Miner has ben found in moat, his heart was not beating.
My migrant armorer and mason has been kicked to death by wareelephant.

Dwarves with relations to dead ones are visiting They tombs.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2014, 06:14:32 am »

Hmmm, I've noticed dorfs who caught me in a production lull would often have "lack of chairs" type complaints if I was only able to get them a bed/table/cabinet in their bedroom/dining room.

When you start tossing around masterwork ones though, you notice "admired own fine/tastefully arranged/masterful/sublime seat lately" which amuses me to no end, so I guess the ones that don't use it directly just look at it and smile?
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2014, 06:20:34 am »

Dwarves with relations to dead ones are visiting They tombs.

Awh man, that's adorable. I guess when I have serious disasters, most of the relations/loved ones are in tombs as well... so I haven't had the opportunity to notice that happen. So cute!
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