and read through every game that happened last year and two things were abundantly clear: scum pursue less cases than town, and scum almost never have the most posts in a game (i.e. they did in only one game in 2013). Flabort was tying for the most amount of cases pushed and he had the most posts in the game. Also, because of player's behaviour towards him and given there was no need for scum to bus on D1, Flabort was the least likely person to be someone's scumbuddy. Out of all the players, he was the worst person to lynch and if you don't see that then you're got a poor understanding of how town players actually play. Flabort was a classic Day One patsy.
So you can see that I only formed my Flabort read after my Deathsword vote, mere hours before the lynch, when I was very tired and already thought Flabort was pretty much doomed. I
have pushed stronger on the people voting Flabort. That I didn't doesn't make me scum.
I'm sorry but I still don't see how any of this amounts to a case. My reads change as I reassess evidence. How are these speculations of yours any different from WIFOM?
Given that your only scum pick yesterday was mislynched, who else do you think could be scum today?
Also, why did you only prod Worldmaster for not posting, when Deathsword hasn't either?
1. TheDarkStar 2. Scripten 3. Urist Imiknorris Cheeetar 4. flabort 5. notquitethere 6. Varee 7. Persus13 8. Worldmaster27 9. Deathsword
1. TheDarkStar 2. Scripten: Slight town lean, since he seems to be scumhunting well. 3. Urist Imiknorris: Slight scum lean for near-lurking. He has one content post so far. 4. flabort: Slight scum lean because of his ridiculous reasons for voting. Currently arguing with Persus; I'm not going to comment much on that until it settles. 6. Varee: Null read for now. Can you make your posts a bit clearer? I can't quite tell what you were trying to say in the last one. 7. Persus13: Slight town lean because he's scumhunting. See my flabort read for his argument with flabort. 8. Worldmaster27: Slight scum lean for lurking. Be more active! 9. Deathsword: Slight scum lean for his retaliatory vote on Varee. He's currently arguing with Varee; as before, I'll wait and see how it goes before drawing any conclusions.
2. Scripten TheDarkStar - Quiet, playstyle reads seem accurate enough. RVS was alright, considering. Lines up well with the town role I remember from our one game together. Urist Imiknorris - Never played with them before. Good questions and answers. Wonder what he thinks of current events between Flabort and Persus13. flabort - Wee bit scummy, but it's hard to tell considering his usual play. notquitethere - Slight town. Intelligent RVS questions and some probing scumhunting. For now, town bloc. Varee - His usual self, which doesn't tell me much of anything. Wish he would give himself more credit and scumhunt more rather than relying on night actions and others. Persus13 - Competent. A little tunnel-y, but only in reaction to Flabort. Worldmaster27 - Good for a newbie. Nothing REALLY sticks out. Maybe slight scum for some of his answers. Mostly null. Deathsword - Quiet as usual. So far he lines up with the town play I remember. Like TheDarkStar in many ways. We'll have to see.
3. Urist Imiknorris Cheeetar TheDarkStar: Did not seem to want anybody to think he'd like them lynched. Provided playstyles instead of reads - kind of odd? Now seems to be okay voting to lynch someone, but on someone with a fair bit of pressure on them already. Leaning very slightly scum. Scripten: Hasn't been able to participate much, mostly reactionary but! Drew attention to it himself in questioning Flabort. Does not seem to be trying to coast. Leaning town. flabort: Very active. Views extending as scummy. Doesn't bold his FoS's- makes it hard on the eyes to read them. Leaning scum. notquitethere: Big posts, lots of questions. Follow through on different people. Scumhunting, for realsies. Town. Unvote Varee: Having played with him before, there's no guarantee his behaviour is scummy or just regular Varee. Not gonna be able to get a read until later in the game, I think. Persus13: Huge posts. His Flabort thing is kind of impenetrable right now. Not sure if he views Flabort as scummy or if he just wants to be seen posting a ton. Null read. Worldmaster27: Quite a few posts, but scant on content. Not much follow through- asking questions just to ask questions? Promised reads, no reads here. Hasn't been using his votes. Strongest scum read for me. Deathsword: Was not able to post very much (understandable), then reactionary. Good pressure on Varee, but he's a fairly easy target. Appreciate the kick in the butt to get me to post reads. Null so far- want to see what his continued posting is like.
4. flabort TheDarkStar I like how he plays to the letter of the law, answering NQT's push for reads on playstyles with actual playstyles. Reading over again, his posts seem oddly short; not too short, but oddly. Mild scum lean. Scripten Doesn't put much value into Day 1 reads, yet forms them anyways. I guess this isn't bad. Earlier points above, as well. Directing people at either me or Persus for whatever reason. Probably scum. Cheeetar Previously UI, who I feel was doing a good job at being ignored. Neutral read. Notquitethere Disappeared, might just be weekend. Not afraid of big posts, not afraid to jump on anything. Not sure why Varee thought NQT and I were buddying, though, if that's what he thought; as said previously, Varee can be a little confusing. Slight town lean. Varee Probably just himself; like Toaster in that nobody can get a straight read on him, but because of confusing instead of ironclad cases. Heavy scum lean until proven otherwise. Persus13 I'm done with him. I don't want to focus on him anymore. Scum lean. Worldmaster Already surpassed my town game. Quick to form evaluations, but cautious to rely on them; a really good trait. Slight town lean. Deathsword Still inactive. Seems to be occupied with Varee for the most point. Neutral read.
5. notquitethere TheDarkStar Asks a doesn't follow up on any of them. He essentially just goes through the motions. After that initial post, other than to ask if he's missed any questions, he asks one questions in the following 6 posts. His later content is a bit better, he provides a range of suspicions and begins to form a case against Flabort. I'm leaning scum here. Most likely scum buddy: Scripten (they both have nice things to say about each other). Least likely scum buddy: Flabort (they both have scum reads on one another) Scripten Begins the game by claiming "I'm going to reread everyone's responses to RVS", but there's no evidence of this having taken place. After asking no questions for four posts they throw out a vote for inactivity (low-lying target, frankly) and finally ask a question of someone. They eventually extend and apologise for inactivity (that's okay, I know what it's like to have a busy life at times). Eventually when pushed they are able to ask an insightful question about the substantive happenings of the game, They don't talk to anyone for most of the game except NQT and Flabort. Perhaps unsurprisingly, when they give their reads they're mostly town or null with only one scum read. I'm mostly reading them a town player who hasn't cast their net very far, but I wouldn't be entirely shocked if they flipped scum. I want to see more interactions between them and others if they survive to Day 2. Most likely scum buddy: anyone except Flabort. Least likely scum buddy: Flabort Urist Imiknorris/Cheetah UI asks a bunch of questions to begin with, follows up on Varee, has only three posts before the day would have been extended. Bails out early on due to lack of time. So does Cheetah present a clear improvement? He starts with a bunch of reads and some questions, with a fresh target. His reads show genuine engagement and he presents a range of suspects. Buuut then he just focuses on Worldmaster in exclusion of all other avenues. Still, mild town read. Most likely scum buddy: almost anyone. Least likely scum buddy: Worldmaster Flabort Most posts in the game so far, which as I've demonstrated elsewhere is a strong town sign. Asks everyone a question to begin with, follows up on some things but most promisingly has a habit of interjecting new questions at regular intervals. He pursues two serious cases, which is one more than everyone else except me and Scripten. His reads show attentiveness and a range of suspicions. Even when tunneling Persus he keeps up correspondence with everyone. Is highly suspected, but that doesn't mean anything as town are almost always lynched on Day 1. He has the fewest possible scum partners. I'm getting a town read here. Most likely scum partner: Deathsword is pretty much the only option here (they both give each other null reads, everyone else hates Flabort). Least likely scum partner: everyone other than Deathsword. Varee, Varee has the strange misfortune of being dog-piled at the beginning RVS phase. Like a lot of players, he asks everyone a question to start with. He follows up with some of these and interestingly enough, he asks questions in almost every one of his vast number of posts, keeping the conversation going. His only vote in the whole game is Deathsword for inactivity, which is pretty low lying fruit. Hasn't posted any reads. He's very active and he asks questions, but he doesn't actually seem to be interested in pressing cases. This, unfortunately, is somewhat expected of Varee. I'm going to have to call him null for now. Most likely scum partner: pretty much even chance of Cheetah, Scripten or TDS at this stage. Least likely scum partner: Flabort. Persus13 Day 1: answers a few questions, asks even less and doesn't follow up. For his second post he extends when the day is almost over. Basically he's absent. That's probably excusable for RL reasons. Does he pick things up after the extension? Well, sort of. He gets bogged down tunnelling Flabort, barely looking in on anyone else. He's hardly the least engaged though, he asks questions and keeps some conversations on. His last post shows evidence he's actually been paying some attention to what people are doing. Has yet to give any reads. I guess this is a null read: the lack of involvement early on has been somewhat made up for since, but I'd like to see some proper cases outside of Flabort. Most likely scum partner: Scripten or TDS. Least likely scum partner: Flabort. WorldMaster Basically just answers questions and throws out RVS-style questions with no follow up for most of the game. His reads show a reasonable range of suspicions. I'm mostly getting an 'inexperienced-player' vibe from him, but that doesn't swing him towards scum or town. He answered my early sustained vote on him without panicking. Reluctantly calling him null for now. Most likely scum partner: Scripten. Least likely scum partner: Cheetah. Deathsword Has the least number of posts (6), which isn't a strong scum tell, but nor is it at all indicative of good town play. Starts the game throwing out three RVS questions. Apparently forgets all about it and then has internet problems. Despite messing his quotes up, when he finally posts he's reasonable engaged (though of course his initial RVS questions are long forgotten). He doesn't talk to many people, though he does manage to pack more questions in to his posts than a lot of others seem to manage. His reads show only one scum lean, and even then he hedges and says his target might just be uncooperative town which is apparently 'just as bad'. Basically he has very low engagement with the game. Initially this was reasonably excused by RL stuff, but recently where he's posted more he's yet to show any sustained desire to actually lynch scum. Scum or at best 'uncooperative town'. Most likely scum partner: Flabort. Least likely scum partner: Varee.
6. Varee *TheDarkStar - Not much to see as of yet, moderate amount of hunting D1. null read *Scripten - From the quick build up of case on NQT,which I think is a little weird, might have some underlying reason?. power role?(scum or cop or JK?) *Cheeetar - I think he is helping NQT, while it maybe true that Scripten case is not the best but he seem a little too eager to point it out. slight scum *notquitethere- Not too sure yet, He was leaning town D1 but I think I will wait and see his weekend post before reassesing.null *Persus13 -Another push on scripten, might have judge her on the sudden out brust too. null-slightly scum *Worldmaster27 - not much to read, D1 was not very acive, doesnt really contribute much. Maybe due to multiple game to read. Null *Deathsword - Still havent post again. Asking me question and only pushing my case, not much answering question too. avoding radar? , slight scum
7. Persus13 DS: Pretty active, few problems with play, possibly too defensive, but that might just be the pot calling the kettle black. neutral lean Scripten Newish, but seems to be doing okay. Continuing to vote me after I had posted was a little odd, and is parroting parts of my case on flabort, but other wise leaning town. Cheeetar Not much to go on, UI was not very active and Cheeetar's only been here for a day or so. Null Flabort: Behaving like a Mafia politician, and using lots of strange metaphors and talking about his skill. His current attack on Scripten I don't really understand his logic. Scum lean NQT: Playing well, mentioning that he'll probably die in the night is WIFOMy. Town Lean Varee: Flailing as usual, but making a bit more of an effort. Jury is still out on this one. Null Worldmaster27: Playing pretty well for being the newest player in the game. I've helped him to victory as scum before, so I know his scum game but not his town game. Town lean? Deathsword: Needs to post more, NQT's comments of him do make some sense. Slight scum lean?
8. Worldmaster27 TDS: Seemed to be trying to sidestep NQT's questioning here, but seems to be doing a decent job of scum hunting. Seems helpful and knows what he's doing. Moderate town lean. Scripten: Good scumhunting, solid arguments. Nothing that notable, town lean. Cheeetar: The replacement, I hadn't much of an opinion on UI either way and the same applies to him so far. Null read. Flabort: Slightly suspicious for questioning how sure Scripten felt on his reads here and here. He's been going after persus pretty hard, but his argument isn't the strongest it might be, but I would expect that on D1. I noticed that sometimes he fluffs up his posts with needless metaphors and such, which I think may be to make it look like his posts are bigger and more filled with content then they are. Nonetheless, they do have content and he is fairly active. Scum lean. notquitethere: He likes big posts and cannot lie. They have good content in them. Most likely town, or very good scum. Varee: His posts are hard to make sense of, and he seems quite timid. He avoids answering questions sometimes, and is a pretty hard read. I'm going to say mildly scummy. Persus13: Seems defensive to me, but has good arguments against Flabort. Is more active now, and seems to be scumhunting well. Currently null, I'd like to see some more to try and get a clearer read. Deathsword: Mildly active now, he's pretty focused on Varee. This seems slightly suspicious, as Varee (to me, at least) seems like an easy target to scumhunt against. I haven't seen anything else really notable. Slight scum lean.
9. Deathsword TDS: Neutral. Just... can't seem to notice anything notable about TDS and it's bugging me. Scripten and Persus: Going with neutral for now, but I may revise this opinion. Cheetar: Just in, so as null as it gets. Flarbot: Seems to have become tired of interacting with persus, in the context of this game; and has formed suspects of their own. Neutral for now. NQT: Play seems to line up with what I've seen before when he was town. Then again, it's been some time since I last played, so things could've changed. Still leaning town. Varee: I think is scum, or very uncooperative town (which is just as bad). Is flailing widely based on a pressure vote from myself, which makes me even more suspicious. Doing some newbie reactions, but I think they are certainly not newbies and I remember a game where someone (forgot whom) pretended to be a newbie to look town (was actually town, but succeeded exceptionally), and this leaves me wary. Scripten and Persus: Going with neutral for now, but I may revise this opinion. Worldmaster: Kind of new-ish feel, but doing well enough despite the impression of a lack of direction the questions give. Leaning town.
I'm implying that I'm genuinely interested in rooting out scum and that's a good reason for scum to kill me.
, can you give me two scum picks now we've had a flip and about 24 hours talking without your input?
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