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[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

Hrm... Would anyone want to do this with me as the GM? I mean, if Kilojoule was willing to give me advice or his notes, I would totally do it!

I might do it anyways, but it wouldn't be as good...

[Andres]

I'd be down for that, especially if I get to play as Malakath. I'm ok with starting from scratch, but I'd rather do it as Malakath more than anyone.

[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

Sure, I don't see why you couldn't be Malakath... Why not Yaos?

Elemental Trees.
(Flame, Ice, Electricity, Acid, Rot/Corruption, etc. I could keep listing, if you want me too...)

The fruit will temporarily provide the ability to produce and control the element of the tree when eaten, until it is digested. Using the powers causes it to digest faster.
Paper made from the tree, when written on with the sap of the same kind of tree will produce the effect written on the paper if the paper is signed (requires a signature to work). You can write nearly anything on the paper, if you wrote "When someone steps on this paper, it explodes. [Signature]" on a sheet of fire paper, it will produce an explosion of flame when someone steps on it. You could make a fire starter with it too, just make a scroll reading "When someone touches the X, produce fire on the O. [Signature]", roll up the paper, then draw an X on one side and an O on the other. The paper will only be single use though, they will crumble to dust after a single use.
The wood from the tree, when in contact with the sap of the same type of tree, will cause the item the wood is attached to to have a magical effect. (A sword with a fire wood hilt would require a vial of fire tree sap, and as long as the vial is full the sword will produce fire. The fire will use up the sap though... You could also use other types of sap for different effects, but it wouldn't be as powerful because the hilt is made of fire wood.) You could use the wood for anything, from weapons to treasure chests (Open it when the sap is touching it and it explodes) to assassination tools like a cloak with a piece of wood and a vial attached to it. (You wear the cloak, and it covers you in fire.)

[Rolepgeek]

Hrm... Would anyone want to do this with me as the GM? I mean, if Kilojoule was willing to give me advice or his notes, I would totally do it!

I might do it anyways, but it wouldn't be as good...

I'd be up for it; I'd been wanting to try out with new god concepts anyway, after all.

[Andres]

Sure, I don't see why you couldn't be Malakath... Why not Yaos?

I can create more things with Malakath. I really like creating. It was the best part of Ye Gods.

[Quartz_Mace]

Dang. I go off of Bay 12 for a few days and find this.

I don't even care! We had a great run! Thanks Kilojoule Proton for making a great game and putting up with our nonsense! I'm sorry that this got to big and I understand why you're stopping. Thanks for the !!FUN!!

Time to come clean about Quéßäre:
I started the plague that wiped out 1/4 of all humans. Congratulations Stirk. You were right. My plan had been to make a highly lethal plague in a few human hosts and then send in High-Elves to heal the sick, implant my religion, and take over the Empire. Yeah, didn't work that way.

I started the Kobold plague. This one was just for fun. Sorry Lucky Kobold, but Quéßäre actually should be on the black list.

I killed Fusil the 3rd time. I conspired with nearly a 3rd of the Gods to keep you in the Sun and make you burn! I think you would have remained in the Sun if you revived, but I cannot be sure. In any case, I doubt you'd kill all of the conspirators.

Goals:
Kill Fusil.
Find a new goal? After killing Fusil, he found himself at a crossroads. All his life, he had been trying to overcome Fusil and finally bury him. Now that it appeared to be done, he wasn't sure what to do. He had begun interested in the concept of becoming a Null, but it seems we will never know what he would've done.

Quéßäre trusted no one, hated Fusil, Darruth, and Melyssa. He liked KI'Tork, Neron, Malakath, and Raptil, though he did not trust them. He had plans to join the Holy Meofsip, after they had bonded over killing Fusil.

Edit: Good example of how Quéßäre trusted no one: When some harmless God (I think it was Cim or Neron, but I'm not sure) distributed cookies to all Gods and mortals, he actually checked them for poison.

Name sake: Qué are the first few letters of Québec, Canada. I like Canada, so I stole this for the first three letters of his name. The ßäre was a form of bear because he was meant to be a monster. It had strange accents that did not match the pronunciation to be deceptive.

[Andres]

I started the plague that wiped out 1/4 of all humans. Congratulations Stirk. You were right. My plan had been to make a highly lethal plague in a few human hosts and then send in High-Elves to heal the sick, implant my religion, and take over the Empire. Yeah, didn't work that way.

I'm ashamed I didn't realise this thoroughly obvious plot. Why didn't it work out, though? Also, Yaos liked you and would've happily had his followers worship you alongside himself. Of course, if he found out that you were responsible for the plague he would've killed you in an instant, but still.

Quéßäre trusted no one, hated Fusil, Darruth, and Melyssa. He liked KI'Tork, Neron, Malakath, and Raptil, though he did not trust them. He had plans to join the Holy Meofsip, after they had bonded over killing Fusil.

Why did he dislike Melyssa and like Malakath? Melyssa never acted against him and Malakath never really interacted with him.

Edit: Good example of how Quéßäre trusted no one: When some harmless God (I think it was Cim or Neron, but I'm not sure) distributed cookies to all Gods and mortals, he actually checked them for poison.

Same reason why I returned The Light's musk.

[DreamerGhost]

"Oh, I won't make it so that I would recieve notices when people post in OOC thread, nothing important ever happens there"

Damn it past!me.

Well, I didn't do all that much in secret.

-Destroyed all temples of Cim after first Fusils death
-Created guardians same as one in Divine library to protect some places, including Darruths flying city.
-Created a wacher to observe movements of Gods against other Gods. Never saw much.
-Colected greatest mages of the land to study magic, gave them an artifact in which they could store their power to be unleashed with devastating effects whenever needed.

[Andres]

Oh yeah, next Tick I was going to create something that would've been either my sister or my daughter. That was gonna be fun.

[Andres]

If I may ask, what was up with Kyloth's soul? When I first mentioned Soul Weapons to KJP he said that some beings with non-standard souls might not have Soul Weapons the way I thought they would. I then said something like "well yeah, Kyloth is made of hundreds of souls so that might not work out for him" and while he confirmed that Kyloth would be affected his wasn't strange in the way I thought it was. So why was Kyloth's soul strange?

[Kilojoule Proton]

Status:
YG 0, T111: IC OOooo, PMs ooooo
YG 1 engine: Design OOooo, implementation ooooo
YG 1 changes/improvements: Ooooo
YGor: Concept OOOoo, implementation ooooo

Spoiler: @@@RQST (click to show/hide)

Players (probably) requesting notification for YG 1 release: Andres, LuckyKobold, hector13, FArgHalfnr

Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum: I think I still have some recent GMing notes I can send. I'll try to add more to it tomorrow if it's not enough.

Boring notes:

Spoiler: Qualitative notes on the social side: (click to show/hide)

Hypotheses based on general observations:
2-node mutual alliances tend to be fairly stable
3-node mutual alliances are less stable but reasonably maintainable
4-node mutual alliances and above break apart quickly

2-node mutual grudges are highly stable and show little signs of dissolution
3-node mutual grudges were less stable and prone to great asymmetry
4-node mutual grudges of consequence did not exist

Likely remedy options:
 * No change
 * Build concept of pantheons into core mechanics (encourages alliances)
 * Increase discounts for collaboration (encourages formation of alliances)
 * Reform nemesis system, give some bonus to both in ability to influence world? (stabilizes externally caused grudges)
 * Make death less escapable (encourages higher-order alliances)

Spoiler: Notes on Void stuff: (click to show/hide)

Too quickly became relatable, anthropomorphized beings

Likely remedy options:
 * Prevent communication without significant research (reduce Void contact, prevent Void counter from reaching 100% at only T120 or so)
 * Reduce intelligibility coefficient (reduces number of literate, speaking Things)
 * Increase both risk and reward for dealing with Things (makes results of Void contact less predictable)

Spoiler: Notes/observations on diplomacy: (click to show/hide)

Hypocrisy is a major negative component to relations
Apparently feigned niceness with a conflicting history leads to poor relations
Pushing away the helpful rapidly degrades relations
Attempting to wriggle out of paying for projects is seen as poor behavior
Being a threat to allies is highly dangerous
Generosity and bribery are surprisingly effective
Sudden changes in attitude unsettle onlookers a lot
Overestimating skill at manipulation backfires very frequently

Likely remedy options:
 * Post this list where everyone can see (makes interactions less predictable)

Spoiler: Notes/observations on character-player separation: (click to show/hide)

Skill at maintaining separation improves diplomatic ability
Poor separation leads to mistrust and hostility
There are varying opinions on using IC/OOC thread information in decisions

Likely remedy options:
 * Explicitly request choosing an option not resembling the player (decreases interest, reduces chance of heated arguments

Spoiler: Notes on investigation: (click to show/hide)

Proper rigor was correlated with success at investigations
Deliberate misinformation was rarely employed
Accidental misinformation spreading is hilarious to watch (most recent: "Luminants kill Bubbles!", "Fusil/Tykki directly killed Fusil!")

Spoiler: Spending to improve outcomes (click to show/hide)

It was both too cheap for some things and too expensive for other things

Likely remedy options:
 * Rigorous review of pricing, non-intuition pricing model (easier, less bias-susceptible balancing)

Rambleramblelog:

Spoiler: Conflict, *HIPPIEMODE (click to show/hide)

My stereotype of a god game goes something like "Create, create, get bored, leave," and conflict was built from the first page of design notes to avoid this pattern. However, it appears some want a lack of conflict. For this, I present *HIPPIEMODE:
 * No violent conflict
 * Probably no crossovers with YG1-main
 * No interacting with others? Malice is practically impossible to filter out

Needless to say, I have doubts in my ability to run this sort of game. I find artifical blocks on conflict to be immersion-breaking and rather dull, but this is at least far more portable to run and doesn't need most of YG0's design. This means anyone can theoretically run a YG-*HIPPIEMODE game with only some exposure to YG-main (which I encourage if only so it actually gets started in a few days rather than a couple of weeks).

Spoiler: Kinds of gods (click to show/hide)

Over the course of YG, I've realized that there are quite a lot of restrictions on the "gods," and I'm not sure if they're too much or too little. With less, I mostly fear that it will devolve into some sort of FIGHTY BOWL: WORLD EDITION with everyone getting killed off and nothing interesting happening. With more, the players get more constrained in what they can do and interesting things also get hampered. Here are some features I came up with to defend change in either direction:

Less restrictions:
 * Easier use of influence on world (~Fire -> sustained by fires in world)
 * More chaos, more interesting stuff

More restrictions:
 * Less unproductive bickering
 * Less interesting stuff in general

It's difficult to balance at least for me.

[Lord_lemonpie]

Status:
YG 0, T111: IC OOooo, PMs ooooo
YG 1 engine: Design OOooo, implementation ooooo
YG 1 changes/improvements: Ooooo
YGor: Concept OOOoo, implementation ooooo

Spoiler: @@@RQST (click to show/hide)

Players (probably) requesting notification for YG 1 release: Andres, LuckyKobold, hector13, FArgHalfnr

Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum: I think I still have some recent GMing notes I can send. I'll try to add more to it tomorrow if it's not enough.

Boring notes:

Spoiler: Qualitative notes on the social side: (click to show/hide)

Hypotheses based on general observations:
2-node mutual alliances tend to be fairly stable
3-node mutual alliances are less stable but reasonably maintainable
4-node mutual alliances and above break apart quickly

2-node mutual grudges are highly stable and show little signs of dissolution
3-node mutual grudges were less stable and prone to great asymmetry
4-node mutual grudges of consequence did not exist

Likely remedy options:
 * No change
 * Build concept of pantheons into core mechanics (encourages alliances)
 * Increase discounts for collaboration (encourages formation of alliances)
 * Reform nemesis system, give some bonus to both in ability to influence world? (stabilizes externally caused grudges)
 * Make death less escapable (encourages higher-order alliances)

Spoiler: Notes on Void stuff: (click to show/hide)

Too quickly became relatable, anthropomorphized beings

Likely remedy options:
 * Prevent communication without significant research (reduce Void contact, prevent Void counter from reaching 100% at only T120 or so)
 * Reduce intelligibility coefficient (reduces number of literate, speaking Things)
 * Increase both risk and reward for dealing with Things (makes results of Void contact less predictable)

Spoiler: Notes/observations on diplomacy: (click to show/hide)

Hypocrisy is a major negative component to relations
Apparently feigned niceness with a conflicting history leads to poor relations
Pushing away the helpful rapidly degrades relations
Attempting to wriggle out of paying for projects is seen as poor behavior
Being a threat to allies is highly dangerous
Generosity and bribery are surprisingly effective
Sudden changes in attitude unsettle onlookers a lot
Overestimating skill at manipulation backfires very frequently

Likely remedy options:
 * Post this list where everyone can see (makes interactions less predictable)

Spoiler: Notes/observations on character-player separation: (click to show/hide)

Skill at maintaining separation improves diplomatic ability
Poor separation leads to mistrust and hostility
There are varying opinions on using IC/OOC thread information in decisions

Likely remedy options:
 * Explicitly request choosing an option not resembling the player (decreases interest, reduces chance of heated arguments

Spoiler: Notes on investigation: (click to show/hide)

Proper rigor was correlated with success at investigations
Deliberate misinformation was rarely employed
Accidental misinformation spreading is hilarious to watch (most recent: "Luminants kill Bubbles!", "Fusil/Tykki directly killed Fusil!")

Spoiler: Spending to improve outcomes (click to show/hide)

It was both too cheap for some things and too expensive for other things

Likely remedy options:
 * Rigorous review of pricing, non-intuition pricing model (easier, less bias-susceptible balancing)

Rambleramblelog:

Spoiler: Conflict, *HIPPIEMODE (click to show/hide)

My stereotype of a god game goes something like "Create, create, get bored, leave," and conflict was built from the first page of design notes to avoid this pattern. However, it appears some want a lack of conflict. For this, I present *HIPPIEMODE:
 * No violent conflict
 * Probably no crossovers with YG1-main
 * No interacting with others? Malice is practically impossible to filter out

Needless to say, I have doubts in my ability to run this sort of game. I find artifical blocks on conflict to be immersion-breaking and rather dull, but this is at least far more portable to run and doesn't need most of YG0's design. This means anyone can theoretically run a YG-*HIPPIEMODE game with only some exposure to YG-main (which I encourage if only so it actually gets started in a few days rather than a couple of weeks).

Spoiler: Kinds of gods (click to show/hide)

Over the course of YG, I've realized that there are quite a lot of restrictions on the "gods," and I'm not sure if they're too much or too little. With less, I mostly fear that it will devolve into some sort of FIGHTY BOWL: WORLD EDITION with everyone getting killed off and nothing interesting happening. With more, the players get more constrained in what they can do and interesting things also get hampered. Here are some features I came up with to defend change in either direction:

Less restrictions:
 * Easier use of influence on world (~Fire -> sustained by fires in world)
 * More chaos, more interesting stuff

More restrictions:
 * Less unproductive bickering
 * Less interesting stuff in general

It's difficult to balance at least for me.

Ooh, that sounds interesting! I'd definitely join YG 1 if it's possible.
KJP, do you still remember that time when Melyssa was asked to send a pouch of void stuff back into time? What did it actually do/cause?

[Andres]

Spoiler: Qualitative notes on the social side: (click to show/hide)

Likely remedy options:
 * Build concept of pantheons into core mechanics (encourages alliances)
 * Increase discounts for collaboration (encourages formation of alliances)
 * Reform nemesis system, give some bonus to both in ability to influence world? (stabilizes externally caused grudges)
 * Make death less escapable (encourages higher-order alliances)

* That would be good
 * Not really necessary. The discounts are already pretty good, it's just that gods don't like helping other gods very much
 * NO NO NO. There should be NO bonuses to having a nemesis or being a nemesis. There's already enough conflict without there being an incentive for conflict
 * Best not. Due to how they act, loner gods like Cim and Fusil are kill-happy and very hard to kill already. Making death less escapable wouldn't affect them much due to how easily they can already escape death and the only hope that weaker gods have of surviving is the ease by which they might revive. Alliances do nothing to prevent the deaths of gods.

Rambleramblelog:

Spoiler: Conflict, *HIPPIEMODE (click to show/hide)

My stereotype of a god game goes something like "Create, create, get bored, leave," and conflict was built from the first page of design notes to avoid this pattern. However, it appears some want a lack of conflict. For this, I present *HIPPIEMODE:
 * No violent conflict
 * Probably no crossovers with YG1-main
 * No interacting with others? Malice is practically impossible to filter out

Needless to say, I have doubts in my ability to run this sort of game. I find artifical blocks on conflict to be immersion-breaking and rather dull, but this is at least far more portable to run and doesn't need most of YG0's design. This means anyone can theoretically run a YG-*HIPPIEMODE game with only some exposure to YG-main (which I encourage if only so it actually gets started in a few days rather than a couple of weeks).

That sounds pretty boring as well. Conflict is necessary to provide a fun game but there was just way too much conflict in YG. Those who wanted to play as war-like gods (Fusil and Cim) got war and generally had it pretty good. On the other hand, those who wanted to play as creative-minded gods had to instead divert their time and resources away from their preferred playstyle just so they wouldn't get steamrolled by the war gods. Creation and conflict are both important to a god game but Ye Gods was balanced way too heavily on conflict.

Spoiler: Kinds of gods (click to show/hide)

Over the course of YG, I've realized that there are quite a lot of restrictions on the "gods," and I'm not sure if they're too much or too little. With less, I mostly fear that it will devolve into some sort of FIGHTY BOWL: WORLD EDITION with everyone getting killed off and nothing interesting happening. With more, the players get more constrained in what they can do and interesting things also get hampered. Here are some features I came up with to defend change in either direction:

Less restrictions:
 * Easier use of influence on world (~Fire -> sustained by fires in world)
 * More chaos, more interesting stuff

More restrictions:
 * Less unproductive bickering
 * Less interesting stuff in general

It's difficult to balance at least for me.

Leave it as it is. That's my opinion.

[IcyTea31]

I'll have a notification of YG 1 as well, if you'd please.

Andres, what gave you the idea Cim was warlike? Active, yes, but it very rarely made hostile actions directly, preferring to deceive its enemies into revealing themselves in order to play the victim. Peaceful actions were plentiful, that's where all that worship came from. Cim had a hidden capital city and dozens of prophets to form organized religion, just as you'd expect from a God of Order and Law.

[Kilojoule Proton]

Lord_lemonpie and IcyTea31 added to local RQST list.

The delivery was for keeping a particular time loop stable. The visible endpoints were Neron receiving the icy seeds ("Cold you sign here?") and Melyssa sending the messenger back in time with them before it became immensely more difficult and dangerous to the timeline.

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