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[Happerry]

Sure, that makes sense. But claiming a rule that says 'acts directly against a deity' takes into effect on actions that target something or someone else completely is going to get you laughed out of any court.

I agree that mass killing mortals should be highly frowned on and probably would result in a war, just like it's doing right now, but, you know, claiming a rule includes things not actually written down in said rule isn't kosher.

Edit : Anyway it is 6 AM in the morning what am I doing night night for now.

EditEdit : Also to clarify one of my big complaints towards the 'no touching someone elses stuff' rule is the part where under that rule they could do something like kill my high priest and I wouldn't be able to smite them for it, rule taken directly literally. I could accept a 'no touching other people's stuff unless said stuff starts interacting with you/stabbing your stuff' type rule more happily and with less chance of using a private action to rot away his house in the middle of the night causing the roof to fall down and crush him because screw letting other people burn down my temples or whatever.

[IcyTea31]

Sure, that makes sense. But claiming a rule that says 'acts directly against a deity' takes into effect on actions that target something or someone else completely is going to get you laughed out of any court.

Ah, but someone committing crimes against my belongings is committing crimes against me. Let's compare this to real life laws.
If someone steals my spark plugs because theirs were broken, it's petty theft.
If someone steals my spark plugs specifically to prevent me from starting my car and I can prove that was his motive, it's no longer petty theft but personal sabotage and I am in position to sue.
If someone trains their dog to steal my spark plugs, the dog won't be punished, (at least at the same level as) the owner will be.
If someone's dog spontaneously steals my spark plugs and brings them to him, he should immediately give them back and scold his dog, or he will be punished.

Edit: Better comparison: If a child shoplifts, their parents have to pay the fines as their legal guardians. They would have been expected to teach the child why you shouldn't steal.

claiming a rule includes things not actually written down in said rule isn't kosher.

Yes, it is. In the rapidly changing world, people try to apply the implications and intents of old laws before making new ones, all the time, and sometimes successfully.

Also to clarify one of my big complaints towards the 'no touching someone elses stuff' rule is the part where under that rule they could do something like kill my high priest and I wouldn't be able to smite them for it, rule taken directly literally. I could accept a 'no touching other people's stuff unless said stuff starts interacting with you/stabbing your stuff' type rule more happily and with less chance of using a private action to rot away his house in the middle of the night causing the roof to fall down and crush him because screw letting other people burn down my temples or whatever.

With these rules active, you could do some detective work if necessary and then complain to the Council about the other character, should you find out who it was. While the rules wouldn't allow you to retaliate by yourself, they would allow you to bring complete ruin to them if you could get others to your side. And if you couldn't, you probably had deserved it anyway. We could compare this to vigilantism versus the police in real life.


However, I can see I'm failing to persuade you, and you see my ideas beyond saving. I'd be grateful if you (,or anyone, for that matter,) typed up a better version with less loopy Legalese. I know a first draft is almost never the best, and the rules should actually be decided on together. So really; help me, please, to make things better. And let's not get too salty over this, neither of us is Truean.

[IcyTea31]

How does it even make sense for a god of Randomness to be at all good at gambling? Forcing a die to fall on a certain number isn't very random, is it?

[Stirk]

Ah, but someone committing crimes against my belongings is committing crimes against me. Let's compare this to real life laws.
If someone steals my spark plugs because theirs were broken, it's petty theft.
If someone steals my spark plugs specifically to prevent me from starting my car and I can prove that was his motive, it's no longer petty theft but personal sabotage and I am in position to sue.
If someone trains their dog to steal my spark plugs, the dog won't be punished, (at least at the same level as) the owner will be.
If someone's dog spontaneously steals my spark plugs and brings them to him, he should immediately give them back and scold his dog, or he will be punished.

Edit: Better comparison: If a child shoplifts, their parents have to pay the fines as their legal guardians. They would have been expected to teach the child why you shouldn't steal.

But if someone's 20 year old son steals your spark plugs for himself, he is punished. Not his parent. They are fully rational adults with free will, not dogs, as you seem to think they are. It makes no since to punish a Father for sins of the child, I don't think anyone ever did that. Ever.

Yes, it is. In the rapidly changing world, people try to apply the implications and intents of old laws before making new ones, all the time, and sometimes successfully.

No it isn't. Real world laws have to state everything clearly, any mucky stuff only makes thinks more difficult. An unwritten rule is no rule at all.

With these rules active, you could do some detective work if necessary and then complain to the Council about the other character, should you find out who it was. While the rules wouldn't allow you to retaliate by yourself, they would allow you to bring complete ruin to them if you could get others to your side. And if you couldn't, you probably had deserved it anyway. We could compare this to vigilantism versus the police in real life.

You really over estimate the council. They did nothing when I pointed out that essence was being siphoned from the sleeping gods, nor when I accused people of consorting with the voices.

However, I can see I'm failing to persuade you, and you see my ideas beyond saving. I'd be grateful if you (,or anyone, for that matter,) typed up a better version with less loopy Legalese. I know a first draft is almost never the best, and the rules should actually be decided on together. So really; help me, please, to make things better. And let's not get too salty over this, neither of us is Truean.

But I don't want the laws. Have this game is interfering with mortals, the other half is creating things. This would get in the way of that. In fact, you are probably the only one who wants this.

[Detoxicated]

How much would it cost to create Crystalline Knowledge?
You know crystals, that when they are touched, teach you the knowledge of Light, and Lightmaking?

[IcyTea31]

But if someone's 20 year old son steals your spark plugs for himself, he is punished. Not his parent. They are fully rational adults with free will, not dogs, as you seem to think they are. It makes no since to punish a Father for sins of the child, I don't think anyone ever did that. Ever.

When you punish someone for a crime, you look into why he did it. Poor parenting is one possible reason for it, and if it is, the parent may be given some of the blame. At this point in the game, the races are still young and morally undeveloped beyond what we have taught them.

No it isn't. Real world laws have to state everything clearly, any mucky stuff only makes thinks more difficult. An unwritten rule is no rule at all.

Give me some time and I'll find you a source to prove my point and the above one.

You really over estimate the council. They did nothing when I pointed out that essence was being siphoned from the sleeping gods, nor when I accused people of consorting with the voices.

The council had no power in those situations, because we have given it very little. They were handled as personal matters, and nobody was interested, apparently.

But I don't want the laws. Have this game is interfering with mortals, the other half is creating things. This would get in the way of that. In fact, you are probably the only one who wants this.

*cough*secret goals we*cough*might want to*cough*get in the way of*cough* It's fine, you don't have to agree with me.

[Stirk]

When you punish someone for a crime, you look into why he did it. Poor parenting is one possible reason for it, and if it is, the parent may be given some of the blame. At this point in the game, the races are still young and morally undeveloped beyond what we have taught them.

Give me some time and I'll find you a source to prove my point and the above one.

No you don't, so have all the time you need. Nobody is going to support your proposal anyway, there is not much point to arguing it.

The council had no power in those situations, because we have given it very little. They were handled as personal matters, and nobody was interested, apparently.

The rules state that the more gods supporting something, the more difficult it is to reverse. As only one god created the people, reversing it would be simple for two gods or doable for one. Handing as personal matters is fine, but makes reversing the process easy.

*cough*secret goals we*cough*might want to*cough*get in the way of*cough* It's fine, you don't have to agree with me.

The only one who might have related secret goals would be Varee, and I would rather have him beat you than my power reduced in all honesty.

[IcyTea31]

I couldn't actually find any reliable sources for or against the matter, though I didn't search very thoroughly. Too tired (and lazy, and generally disliking Internet arguments,) to continue, I concede OOC. Not IC, however, for when the real world doesn't exist, you can go in any direction and make your own sources.

[Stirk]

I couldn't actually find any reliable sources for or against the matter, though I didn't search very thoroughly. Too tired (and lazy, and generally disliking Internet arguments,) to continue, I concede OOC. Not IC, however, for when the real world doesn't exist, you can go in any direction and make your own sources.

Yay! That is like the third internet argument I won on this thread *Waves tiny American flag strapped to a rifle*

[Kilojoule Proton]

The more I think about the war stuff, the more it seems like running two games in parallel in the same setting. Not that there's any problem with it.

[Lost in Nowhere]

$$$
Price checks on several things:

-This artifact:

Spoiler: Artifact-y thing (click to show/hide)

Basically, is an amplifier for life magic, and uses the life-force of whomever is using it to power the spells. Can kill the user easily if he/she/it isn't careful.

-A unique angel of death
-Something that can put a living thing in a stasis of sorts for an arbitrary period of time

[Kilojoule Proton]

$$$Response
The artifact: Low 1-2 Essence
Unique Angel of Death: High 4-5 Essence
Stasis cradle (?): High 2-3 Essence, can be lower if you enlist Cim's help

[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

Well, what happened to the scales? They would be useful in this war...

[Kilojoule Proton]

I don't know. I was kind of expecting you to provide the story of what happened to them.

[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

I don't know. I was kind of expecting you to provide the story of what happened to them.

Okay, I'll do that.