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[Rolepgeek]

The bad decisions lie in you making enemies with enough Gods that they were able and willing to do so.

You are capable of seeing what I publicly do. Why would I lay out the mechanics of the system of magic I created? The only reason I even declared it was because the amount of power being used by certain mages would be rather obvious to anyone who cared to look. I've never claimed to know all about anything. You seem to invent things as they suit you, rather than actually seeing the facts as they are.

I agree. They are likely quite incapable of enslaving a race watched by a God. Thus why I offered my protection, in case Cyrix's attention is elsewhere; say, because you've blown something up again.

[Stirk]

The bad decisions lie in you making enemies with enough Gods that they were able and willing to do so.

"It seems to be working for me so far. Besides, talking that way to someone much more powerful then you who is perfectly willing to kill you is a bad decision in itself."

You are capable of seeing what I publicly do. Why would I lay out the mechanics of the system of magic I created? The only reason I even declared it was because the amount of power being used by certain mages would be rather obvious to anyone who cared to look. I've never claimed to know all about anything. You seem to invent things as they suit you, rather than actually seeing the facts as they are.

"The matter still stands that you don't seem to understand anything you claim to understand. This, for instance. You assume that I haven't done several simple acts to know everything about your systems of magic. And I must say I am not impressed. The new Gods simply do not need you, and would be better off on their own.

Now what exactly have you shown publicly, or privately for that matter, that would lead us to believe you have any knowlage on how Mortals work? I bet you couldn't even name the most numerous race correctly! You probably even think that tiny race the Humans outnumber everyone by double or something strange like that."

I agree. They are likely quite incapable of enslaving a race watched by a God. Thus why I offered my protection, in case Cyrix's attention is elsewhere; say, because you've blown something up again.

"I am sure he would manage to notice an entire race being carried off, regardless of what happened. You are offering something he does not need, no doubt for your own sake rather than his."

"Why is everyone so interested in this new God? Dozens of other Gods have come and gone, without the mass calls for alliance. You almost ignored the poor God of Hunting outright..."

[Andres]

"The god of Hunt isn't as active as this new god, doesn't ask as many questions, and isn't as useful, no offence. If I remember correctly, there weren't very many gods who were jumping at the chance to help me either."

[Lord_lemonpie]

Malakath, I am sad to see that none of my creations have made it into the Bestiary. Neither the Flagellants (T78) nor the Archfiends (T83) are present."

[Andres]

"Flagellants have been added. I don't add angels into the Bestiary."

[Dutrius]

"The god of Hunt isn't as active as this new god, doesn't ask as many questions, and isn't as useful, no offence. If I remember correctly, there weren't very many gods who were jumping at the chance to help me either."

None taken. I'm still around, but I don't have much to say. Besides, I'm still trying to get my head around the recent proposals and how they would affect things.

Also, greetings Cyrix. I am Raptil, god of the Hunt.

Alright, I've got a new race.

Spoiler:  New race, Falciri (click to show/hide)

The Falciri are a race of sentient falcon like creatures, slightly smaller than a human, and with a slightly shorter lifespan.

They are found in small towns high in the mountains, but a large concentration live in a small city built around a holy site.
They are omnivorous, but their preferred food is meat. To provide food, the towns send out bands of hunters and gatherers.
They tend to stay away from over races, and are careful not to kill livestock, unless they are in severe danger of starvation, in which case they leave behind some goods as compensation.
The Falciri towns consist of a combination of small caves carved into the mountainsides, and sheltered wooden platforms. The interiors are adorned with colourful banners and tapestries, often depicting birds in flight. Most of the damper caves are reserved for growing small edible mushrooms, and some of the dryer ones are for storage.
The Falciri language consists of chirping noises, the pitch and length of which conveys meaning. Some have learned the languages of their neighbouring races, and speak those languages with an almost musical accent.

Create 300 Falciri and propagate to 1500.

[Kilojoule Proton]

Tick 97: Revivication

Spoiler: misc (click to show/hide)

(210 000 added to a 300 000 is a rather implausible result of a free action. The effectiveness of actions is correlated quite strongly with effort, and butterfly effect actions are rated as close to zero effort. Lucky rolls do happen, but they're lucky rolls because they don't happen most of the time. Do not make such assumptions in the future.)

(Didn't you already Decentralize along with Something Something Miracle of Springtime?)

(Many temples for 2E: I believe the design assumption was that they'd be average run-of-the-mill temples, thus explaining how they could be so irrelevant and mass-produceable. Less detailed (and therefore less prominent) things costing less is a recurring pattern.)

(Pantheons don't actually mean much without actions to back them up. The standard pantheon seems to have its members encouraging their worshippers to worship the others as well. Backstabbing is still possible, but enforced contracts can stop this.)

(Star here is interpreted as "falling star" because a "burny reactor star" wouldn't crash into a village; a planet would crash into it. This likely nerfs nothing.)

(It's not actually cheaper to p'type+p'gate than p'type&p'gate now for the reason that increasing the number of actions needlessly more typically increases the total cost. Also, it was practically metagaming anyway. In this case, 600 was approximately the highest number creatable in one action while guaranteeing spending exactly 3E, and more could have been created with a risk of going over budget.)

Fortuna:
"That may work then. I'll just have to stay out of the touchier ones' lands."
"Luck is flowing like spirits at a feast, O Mutable One!"

There is much uproar among the gambling halls following the announcement of the curse on non-Commission halls. Some do join, but there are also reports of shrines to Fortuna being destroyed.
Tycho: "That's what your less lucky priests would do. I get to do the fun stuff because I have all the luck!"
Tycho has activated his Rod. Colorful ribbons burst from the ground like geysers, attracting a great many random people.

The traveling entertainers have taken to having their ringmaster play as Fortuna in their performances.

Malakath and Fusil:
SHINJO: "Actually, I may change my mind if you both tell me who your most potent rival is."

Malakath:
"They don't employ subterfuge and secrecy? Tell us more we didn't already know."

The strange little man is thinking about the beautiful gushing of arterial blood, but the reasons elude simple examination.

The shadowy figures' minds seem to be warded against even divine interference. They seem not to be Void cultists.
"Release us soon untouched or our superiors will begin executing contingencies."

You don't know what books on the Void Fusil read. It is a most unpleasant situation, not to know what romance novels your stalkee reads.

Darruth has commissioned the construction of hospitals staffed by Darruthian Healers in the cities of Good. Access is free for those who cannot afford it and proportional to wealth for those who can.

The cities have been doing very well, exporting many magical products. While none are quite as extravagant as the largest Mountwyrm capital, the cities are considered excellent destinations by tourists all the same. The main problem at the moment is slowly growing tension between two sides on a developing schism.

Neron has also adopted tentacles with significant improvements in dexterity only a snake can truly appreciate.

Atropos has created the Deathbells and scattered them about the worlds. Malakath and the fledgling mage guild of Odolhirum have warded the city from deathbells and destroy existing ones save walking deathbells.

Cyrix has sent flocks of great owls to protect the farms of the world and improve yields (and created them, which is the bulk of the cost).

Melyssa:
"I've hanged myself from this tree for over a week now and I see ghosts everywhere. Do you have any advice?"
"Could you see my floor spiked plate? My mentor says it's as painless as a bed of nails."
"Pop! Look at my eyeball! Pop!"

Cyrix has given Malakath 2E to commission a temple in the Tailwyrm city.

Darruth has begun the construction of Panthon Courts in the Havens. Melyssa has pledged her assistance should it cost a non-zero amount. [NOT YET RESOLVED]

Ñurnea, a seven-tiered city, has begun rising from below the Grand Church of Quéßäre the Wolf-People built. It is self-contained and self-sufficient.

A mischievous sculptor has chiseled in "Malakath and Cyrix, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G" on a cliff face and been found dead three days later.

Malakath has hit on Azem again. Fusil seems to be jealous. Malakath has given 1E to Azem and overflowed.

Neron:
"We are thinking of creating a compact granary and would like your assistance."
"Can you give us a metal than melts when cooled and freezes when heated?"
"Is it true that shouting in the mountains can cause an avalanche?"

Atropos has prototyped the Seven Scrolls.

Cyrix has created 600 Sewa and distributed them between the worlds.

Azem has given the gift of improved mathematics and engineering knowledge to the various scientific institutions.

Kit and Tykki have fought in the DBP! Kit is somehow able to dodge most of Tykki's attacks and seems to grow more agile as the fight progresses. In the end, however, Kit cannot endure Tykki's continuous onslaught and is defeated. Kit has returned to Atropos' shoulder and Tykki has returned to Fusil.

Tykki: "It is done, Sir."

Azem has been punished by being put in a funny hat. Astute readers of this tabloid thing may note the similarity to Malakath's offers to play the role the funny hat currently plays and Malakath's at least initial opposition to the idea.

This update's constellations are the Staff and Phoenix.

(Atropos: -5E, Malakath: -1E, Cyrix: -3E, Cyrix: -2E, Malakath: +2E, Malakath: -1E, Azem: +1E, Atropos: -5E)

Spoiler: Deities (click to show/hide)

Cim the Lawgiver (Order, Law): 46/46, 15-16
Fusil (Weapons): 25/28, 8-9
Azem (Wealth, Trade): 61/61, 8-9
Khaziraad (Architecture, Improvement): 25/30, 7-8
Kli (Balance, Sacrifice): 67/67, 6-7
Grauel (Hunger, Decay): 34/44, 17-18
Serac (Oceans, Bubbles): 5/27, 0-0
The Light (Light): 49/52, 6-7
Joha (Life): 45/45, 8-9
Neron (Ice): 17/24, 7-8
Darruth (Goodness, Protection): 16/27, 8-9
Quéßäre (Deception, Guile): 24/24, 6-7
KI'Tork (Kitchens, Satisfaction): 14/22, 7-8
Malakath (Souls, Blood): 15/22, 6-7
Atropos (Death, Dust): 26/31, 7-8
Melyssa (Torture): 21/22, 3-4
Fortuna (Luck): 15/22, 4-5
Raptil (Hunting): 21/21, 1-2
Cyrix (Harvest): 16/20, 3-4

Spoiler: Lawmode (click to show/hide)

Quéßäre v. Azem

58.05: Quéßäre sues Azem for cursing everyone's economies. (3-0) [PASSED]
+3 (Convict) from Quéßäre, Azem, Yaos

94.00: Put Azem in a funny hat as punishment (2-0) [PASSED]
+2 from Fusil, Cim
0 from Darruth
-1 from Malakath

94.01: Have Azem spend 3E to improve the economies affected most and issue a public apology (1-0)
+1 from Malakath
0 from Darruth

94.02: 94.00 and 94.01 at once (4-0) [IMMINENT PASS]
+4 from Fusil, Malakath, Raptil, Fortuna
0 from Darruth

Spoiler: Features (click to show/hide)

Skyfeatures: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5731808#msg5731808 (maintained by Happerry/Anath)
Skyfeatures: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5842048#msg5842048 (maintained by Andres/Yaos/Malakath)
Bestiary: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144651.msg5779202;topicseen#msg5779202 (maintained by Andres/Yaos/Malakath)

The following player is in danger of being marked as inactive: Detoxicated/The Light.

Spoiler: Deities (click to show/hide)

Cim the Lawgiver (Order, Law): 46/46, 15-16
Fusil (Weapons): 25/28, 8-9
Azem (Wealth, Trade): 61/61, 8-9
Khaziraad (Architecture, Improvement): 25/30, 7-8
Kli (Balance, Sacrifice): 67/67, 6-7
Grauel (Hunger, Decay): 34/44, 17-18
Serac (Oceans, Bubbles): 5/27, 0-0
The Light (Light): 49/52, 6-7
Joha (Life): 45/45, 8-9
Neron (Ice): 17/24, 7-8
Darruth (Goodness, Protection): 16/27, 8-9
Quéßäre (Deception, Guile): 24/24, 6-7
KI'Tork (Kitchens, Satisfaction): 14/22, 7-8
Malakath (Souls, Blood): 15/22, 6-7
Atropos (Death, Dust): 26/31, 7-8
Melyssa (Torture): 21/22, 3-4
Fortuna (Luck): 15/22, 4-5
Raptil (Hunting): 21/21, 1-2
Cyrix (Harvest): 16/20, 3-4

Taol (Freedom): 20/20, 2-3 (Safe stasis)
Anath (Night, Stars): 23/23, 6-7 (Safe stasis)
Artisanii (Arts, Inspiration): 24/24, 2-3 (Sealed away)

Varee (Randomness): 6/31, 3-4 (Sealed away)
Carmine (Exploration, Science): 21/21, 1-2 (Sealed away)

Spoiler: Council rules (click to show/hide)

These are all subject to addition, removal, and change by you. They can effect changes in the game's core rules (mechanics), administrative laws (voting requirements, seniority privilegs, &c.) or the natural rules (light does not exist, gravity is repulsive, giant animals can fly like birds, &c.).
`Administrative:
A bill must be supported by at least 50% of active players to pass if unopposed.

A bill must achieve 60% support in order to pass if opposed.

Players may flame the host if he has been inactive for at least two (2) UTC days.

Council resolutions will not be counted until at least a major tick has passed.

Council-produced creations are not to be tampered with without council approval. Failure to comply will result in the automated initiation of a trial.

03.01: Only deities supporting a proposal enter the Essence pool

04.03: Remove proposals stagnant for 3 ticks or double opposed to supported for 1 tick <0>

Proposals at [IMMINENT PASS] will pass immediately if 80% of the Support or Oppose votes are Support votes.

34.05: A trial will end after 2 integer ticks (from Tx to Tx+2) with votes tallied based solely on support and opposition. Conflict results in comparing support and opposition.

Starter Code of Conduct:
I. Thou Shall Not Cause Megadeaths Or Extinction Events
II. Thou Shall Not Seek the Death of Another God
III. Thou Shall Not Force Mortals To Worship You
IV. Thou Shall Not Force Mortals Not To Worship Other Gods
V. Thou Shall Not Break The Universe

Active players are those who have posted in the last three (3) UTC days.

35.01: Arrange for a Void study committee
36.00.1: Trials held for assault, murder, or attempted murder last only for a tick (4-2/13) [EXTEND TO T42] [PASSED]

Natural:
02.00.b: Created race(s) is not/are not all immortal <?>
02.01.a: Sapients and not sentients are the dominant mortals to be created <?>
02.02: Support reincarnation in general <0-1>
02.02.1: Support looped reincarnation (i.e. between two worlds)
02.04: Create a spirit and a corporeal realm <48/77, (6-7/11-13)>
02.04.1: Bifurcate corporeal realm <6-7 (0-1)>
03.06: Make constellations without needing council permission
02.01.a.2: Support free will for mortals <0>
03.04.1: 03.04 for first two planets <0>
03.00: Build 3 million sapient humanoids evenly split between Material World 1 and Material World
02.03: Create up to ~30 total immortal, godinalized servants <13-14 (3-4)>
02.04.3: Support further amendment to Valkiss' proposal <?>
03.06.1: Make magical constellations that influence magic on the worlds
03.09: Name the two partitions Keshan and Slytha
04.01: Create grand ecumenical temples for every race <High 3-4>
12.01: Anath's five-part starter code of conduct
18.01: Create monstrous flora and fauna <?>

21.00: Make a gas giant for each system <15-16 (2-3)>
24.00: Create the Plane of Death and Battle <1-2 (0-1)>

35.00: Put constellations in order and in a cycle as opposed to randomly
35.01: Arrange for a Void study committee
40.00: New races must not be negatively acted upon from the mortals' perspective for at least 3 ticks

43.01: Refill the Library's supply of Void books
66.00: Disband the Human Empire and grant the citizens self-determination
75.01: Have non-votes count as Abstains

79.01: Contain the summoning/Void activity <4 (2)>

80.02.4: As above but for 4 ticks
80.05.2: Proposals require seconding by two other gods to pass
80.06: Resolve proposals at tick n+3 at the earliest
79.05: Silence Fusil permanently
85.01: Insta-pass proposals supported by 75% of active deities
85.00: Forbid Void-worshippers from using magic
86.00: Lift the limitation on magic
86.01: Encourage mortals to petition gods for magic
88.01: Burn the Lich!

Spoiler: Council proposals (9) (click to show/hide)

94.03: Votes toward punishing a convict may not come from the convict (1-3) [FAILED]
+1 from Raptil
-3 from Fusil, Fortuna, Darruth

95.00: Just fight to the death or have a war or something (3-3) [IMMINENT DEATH]
+3 from Fortuna, Fusil, Quéßäre
-3 from Malakath, Raptil, Cim

95.00.1: 95.00 refers only to Darruth and Malakath (2-1) [IMMINENT DEATH]
+2 from Malakath, Raptil
-1 from Cim

95.01: Have disagreements between exactly two gods solved by combat (1-3) [IMMINENT FAILURE]
+1 from Khaziraad
-3 from Malakath, Raptil, Cim

95.02: Vetoes only work if publicly issued (1-3) [IMMINENT FAILURE]
+1 from Melyssa
-3 from Fortuna, Fusil, Cim

95.03: Silence Malakath (2-2) [IMMINENT DEATH]
+2 from Fortuna, Neron
-2 from Melyssa, Malakath

95.04: Remove Malakath's right to veto (2-2) [IMMINENT DEATH]
+2 from Fortuna, Neron
-2 from Melyssa, Malakath

95.05: Force a cooldown of 3 ticks on vetoing (1-1) [IMMINENT DEATH]
+1 from Melyssa
-1 from Cim

95.06: Vetoed things cannot be re-proposed for 10 ticks (1-1) [IMMINENT DEATH]
+1 from Melyssa
-1 from Cim

95.07: Remove vetoes and veto-equivalent actions (2-0) [IMMINENT DEATH]
+2 from Darruth, Melyssa
-1 from Cim

Spoiler: New Proposals (6) (click to show/hide)

Array

New players are always welcome. Sphere ideas this tick are Children, Day, Animals, and Fire. Opposing sphere ideas this tick are Honesty and Misfortune.

[Kilojoule Proton]

(Raptil: -3E)
Raptil has created 1 500 of the Falciri, a race of avian hunters.

[Lord_lemonpie]

"I've hanged myself from this tree for over a week now and I see ghosts everywhere. Do you have any advice?"

"Those ghosts are probably just hallicunations, but you might have the gift of magic bestowed upon you, follower. I wish to examine you further. You can keep hanging in the tree if that is what you desire, but you are also welcome to come to one of my shrines."
Melyssa examines the (wo)man, to see if (s)he has any magical powers.

"Could you see my floor spiked plate? My mentor says it's as painless as a bed of nails."

"Replacing the spikes with actual barbs would work better. If someone sets foot on the barbs, they can't get loose, causing them to fall over on more barbs."

"Pop! Look at my eyeball! Pop!"

"You are a worthy servant."
Melyssa creates Zekeb, an emerald maul studded with copper. She gives the maul to the "Eye-Popper", turning him into Zekeb, the Third Archfiend.

Melyssa creates III, The third Flagellant city. She creates as much Flagellants as there are living in I, and lets them live in III.

[Andres]

(210 000 added to a 300 000 is a rather implausible result of a free action. The effectiveness of actions is correlated quite strongly with effort, and butterfly effect actions are rated as close to zero effort. Lucky rolls do happen, but they're lucky rolls because they don't happen most of the time. Do not make such assumptions in the future.)

(In the future, is it ok if I combine the butterfly effect with actually spending Essence to cause such actions to happen?)

There is much uproar among the gambling halls following the announcement of the curse on non-Commission halls. Some do join, but there are also reports of shrines to Fortuna being destroyed.

"You're the fourth person to be blasphemed against, I think. The first was Yaos, the second was Fusil, the third was myself, and now you're the fourth. I wonder if there's a pattern..."

Malakath and Fusil:
SHINJO: "Actually, I may change my mind if you both tell me who your most potent rival is."

I have already left and will continue to not respond. Competing for the attention of a mortal this much is below me.

"They don't employ subterfuge and secrecy? Tell us more we didn't already know."

"Actually, I only said they don't employ subterfuge. They employ secrecy in terms of their magical techniques. However..." The room is swiftly covered in shadows with a harsh red tint, "I am tired of being treated by you as if I were some trifling beggar!" Suddenly, many arms manifest from the shadows and drag the Burning Days down to their knees, too quickly to do anything physical and Malakath's will stopping them from doing anything magical, "I am a GODDESS and you will treat me as such! Do we understand?"

The strange little man is thinking about the beautiful gushing of arterial blood, but the reasons elude simple examination.

The little man is taken to the same asylum Lyle the Archlawyer was taken to. It's not my problem.

The shadowy figures' minds seem to be warded against even divine interference. They seem not to be Void cultists.
"Release us soon untouched or our superiors will begin executing contingencies."

Eh, so long as they're not cultists. They're released and the angel priests are recalled to Zeranzel.

A mischievous sculptor has chiseled in "Malakath and Cyrix, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G" on a cliff face and been found dead three days later.

"One of you actually hired someone to do this? I must admit it's rather humorous. Still, I had nothing to do with his death. If anyone wants to investigate it I suggest you do it before it reincarnates."

Malakath has hit on Azem again. Fusil seems to be jealous.

Magnificent.

Kit and Tykki have fought in the DBP! Kit is somehow able to dodge most of Tykki's attacks and seems to grow more agile as the fight progresses. In the end, however, Kit cannot endure Tykki's continuous onslaught and is defeated. Kit has returned to Atropos' shoulder and Tykki has returned to Fusil.

Information about this fight is released to the mortals. The great Tykki actually found it challenging to beat a common cat.

"Those ghosts are probably just hallicunations, but you might have the gift of magic bestowed upon you, follower. I wish to examine you further. You can keep hanging in the tree if that is what you desire, but you are also welcome to come to one of my shrines."
Melyssa examines the (wo)man, to see if (s)he has any magical powers.

"It's more likely that she hanged herself to death and can now see ghosts because she is also a ghost. Everyone has magic now, remember?"

[Lord_lemonpie]

"Those ghosts are probably just hallicunations, but you might have the gift of magic bestowed upon you, follower. I wish to examine you further. You can keep hanging in the tree if that is what you desire, but you are also welcome to come to one of my shrines."
Melyssa examines the (wo)man, to see if (s)he has any magical powers.

"It's more likely that she hanged herself to death and can now see ghosts because she is also a ghost. Everyone has magic now, remember?"

"While this might be true, I still wish to investigate her. As far as I know, ghosts are unable to pray, but I might be wrong."

[Stirk]

SHINJO: "Actually, I may change my mind if you both tell me who your most potent rival is."

"Well, that is odd, but I see no harm in answering your question now that the Bloodyone is gone (Spacebar glitched, I am keeping it.). I suppose my main, and most powerful, rival would be the Null as a whole. Not even Cim is as dangerous or powerful, they are the Ones I would most like to defeat."

You don't know what books on the Void Fusil read. It is a most unpleasant situation, not to know what romance novels your stalkee reads.

May I file for a restraining order?

The cities have been doing very well, exporting many magical products. While none are quite as extravagant as the largest Mountwyrm capital, the cities are considered excellent destinations by tourists all the same. The main problem at the moment is slowly growing tension between two sides on a developing schism.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

You can picture happy gatherings
'Round the fireside long ago,
And you think of tearful partings
When they left you here below.

Will the circle be unbroken
By and by, by and by?
Is a better home a-waiting
In the sky, in the sky?

Malakath has hit on Azem again. Fusil seems to be jealous. Malakath has given 1E to Azem and overflowed.

Oi! Fortuna said the same thing. Dirty lies!

Tykki: "It is done, Sir."

"Excellently done, Tykki. As always, a wonderful demonstration. I hope you will not mind participating more in the future, your skills are simply more valuable now in the open."

Azem has been punished by being put in a funny hat. Astute readers of this tabloid thing may note the similarity to Malakath's offers to play the role the funny hat currently plays and Malakath's at least initial opposition to the idea.

 

Magnificent.

"Tykki, you are now authorized to assault Malakath with paper fans, airsoft rifles, wooden sticks, tear gas, and other less-than-lethals any time she attempts to stalk, flirt with, or otherwise harass me. Have fun."

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

This tick I would like to propagate my creations population to 10,000 spread equally among both planets. I would also like my creations, with assistance from any followers willing, to create themselves a village with the market place being the temple, may praises be sung in the market ever day in the morning, the afternoon, and dusk. I would also like to spend 2E on prettying up and bettering my part of the pantheon(s)

[Detoxicated]

Create a rainbow coloured seaserpent with a length of 2km.

[Stirk]

"I suppose I should make the Hovori a more noticeable feature. I will spend 20E to propagate them."