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[Rolepgeek]

Spoiler: Godzilla Threshold Reached (click to show/hide)

No. No they don't. No one has the power to veto. It doesn't actually mean anything...

To answer your questions, Khaziraad, allow me to ask you this: Do you really think I would design the Ley Lines to be able to explode? How would 'mining them' be any different from drawing power from them regularly?

Redirect into space...*facepalms. again.* You are kidding me, right? That's not how they work....

Propose banning vetos in general and any euphemisms which would be the equivalent, just to get rid of this fucking useless bullshit.

[hector13]

Spoiler: Godzilla Threshold Reached (click to show/hide)

((This is why I propose silencing Malakath. The refusal of Andres to listen to anyone else on any subject is bizarre, and somewhat annoying, and at least I won't have to argue about the meaning of the word veto for a very long time))

[Vgray]

Azem sprouts tentacles again, just to annoy Fusil.

"If that proposal of Darruth's actually passes, I will be sorely tempted to enact a second great Curse to punish you all for your collection stupidity and ignorance. And you won't be able to do anything about it."

[Stirk]

Azem sprouts tentacles again, just to annoy Fusil.

"If that proposal of Darruth's actually passes, I will be sorely tempted to enact a second great Curse to punish you all for your collection stupidity and ignorance. And you won't be able to do anything about it."

"I could always kill you with real tentacles. Show you how its done."

[Rolepgeek]

What did I do?!

Also I would appreciate if you didn't...

[Andres]

((This is why I propose silencing Malakath. The refusal of Andres to listen to anyone else on any subject is bizarre, and somewhat annoying, and at least I won't have to argue about the meaning of the word veto for a very long time))

(Oh the irony! Before I read this post I was going to say how I was wrong to think what I thought and I should defer judgement to better gods. I'm still going to do that because I'm not a spiteful person and you're right.)

"I was wrong to think that someone could veto a Council action. It was a train of thought that led to an incorrect conclusion and I apologise. I'll leave the handling of vetos to wiser gods than I and hopefully I can actually stop myself from getting into Council politics in the future. Good luck dealing with the Void, the time tremors, and the traitor god(s)!" (That wasn't sarcastic - that was sincerely telling you good luck.)

Abstain on the proposals I presented.

"Any other requests?"

[Vgray]

Azem sighs and shakes his head.

"Figure it out yourself. I'll give you one hint: Varee."

[Kilojoule Proton]

Tick 96: Annoyance Ascended

Spoiler: OOC in IC clutter; look here first if something didn't happen (click to show/hide)

Frivolous veto shenanigans in the last few hours: Ignored all the vetoes. All of them.

Petition to reduce veto fees: DENIED

Mortals acting big around gods: It's not much of a big deal when the gods are forever tied up in betrayals and backstabbing over the tiniest of things and they know it. The Council is the closest thing we have to a capital-G God and its mostly bogged down by bureaucracy and fluctuating enforcement ability.

The justification for having the Burning Days founded seems to have been something along the lines of "for every Conservative Crime Squad, a Liberal Crime Squad exists." Somewhat amusing from my perspective, and the reverse could also have been said as well.

Strange little man: Someone with a knife in the same room as the pray-er, apparently.

Runic magic: Khaziraad had some sort of construction runes as early as T12.

Alchemy branches: There's equivalent exchange stuff, potion stuff, at least one hidden other stuff, and possibly mundane chemistry masked by superstition, but that's not typically considered magic. So there are at least three distinct branches. For reference, the oldest alchemy branch of any kindis probably the mundane chemistry one, and the oldest magical alchemy branch may be Yaos' flavor of equivalent exchange stuff. This marks the point at which I stop bothering to listen to or discuss alchemy stuff and hope you can all sort it out nicely.

Revisionism with respect to other gods' creations' hiddens: I think you can all see why this isn't a very diplomatic approach on your own.

Common sense upgrades: I'd prefer if the creators added it on their own. They're the ones who would typically get the nonsense prayers anyway.

Vetoes and unvetoes and the Council: Obviously, it can't override what amounts to a free action based on free will.

Vetoes not matching definition: I usually work off of vetō from Latin, where it has a more general meaning of forbidding. I'm not even sure who started using the word veto first, but I think it was listed as "oppose" in the T0 and preparation documents.

Deciding what magic is what is not something for players, especially when details are left unpublished. It's not even a useful thing to do given that the Divine, Psymental, Cosmic, &c. set is mostly for templating and costs.

There are too many requests and questions going on in IC. This does not reflect very well ondddk:wq

RANDOM WARRIOR: (whispered) Why would I want to say something so silly!?

Face of the Burning Day: "We never said we despised them for that."

Malakath:
"Maybe I'll just go ask someone else. Order, Protection, Wealth, and Weapons seem to be likely candidates."
"I am so calm right now! So calm! Even though the little man locked the door and is sharpening that knife!"

Malakath attempts to unrestrict access to Darruth's Runic magic. Without knowing the actual details of its operation, this will have only little or no success.

Angel priests have been sent out to tour Muman, Mountwyrm, Human, Dwarf, Merperson, Wood Elf, Luminee, Night Elf, and Hummingbird capitals. Those touring the Night Elf capitals have been asked to leave by shadowy figures.

KI'Tork has toured isolated villages in the north and fed starving mortals.

Melyssa has appeared before convicted murderers to torture them to death.

Fortuna: "But there's a bunch of Muses who made that centuries ago, and they might send me a team of Lawmancers if I copy their idea!"
"You will be pleased, I'm sure!"

Fortuna has established a Gaming Commission which very few gambling halls have agreed to join so far. The main complaints seem to be from the curse and the restriction on names, which they feel restricts their selection unnecessarily given the capricious nature of luck.

Tycho seems to be doing very well. He has taken to wearing a coat half of gilded thread and half of torn rags. His preferred method of spreading Fortuna's message seems to be conning targets into thinking he can bestow gifts of luck through belief and generous donations.

The traveling entertainers have acquired a reputation as the only group that neglects safety nets, backstops, and properly built cages completely and are currently touring in the general direction of the Golden Grebe.

The Gruen who wanted to become a Lord of Hunger is currently stalking a foreign lord to consume him. He seems to have improved relatively little because of his somewhat ineffective diet.

Neron has modified a Golem, forcing its core to turn into a Soul Orb running on Blue Fire and changing its preferences to favor ice and sky. Golem hearts have been replaced by the Soul Orbs with a different method of creation. Finally, Neron has propagated them to 1 000 and placed half on each side of the ice planet.

Darruth has commissioned the construction of a Medical University for the research side of medicine.

Darruth has created a system of Ley Lines, which form around influential sites and function as magical hotspots. They affect and are affected by influential structures. They can be tapped into only by the trained

The anti-Void tactics seem to consist of interrogation and purging.

Spoiler: bah humbug true gods veto with lightning or snakey hair or turning to plants (click to show/hide)

10 DARRUTH: (attempts to create Ley Lines)
20 MALAKATH: (blocks 10)
30 MALAKATH: .msg5956760
40 FUSIL: (supports 10)
50 FUSIL: (blocks 20)
60 FUSIL: .msg5956777
70 DARRUTH: .msg5956819
80 FUSIL: (unblocks 20 per 60) -> cancels 50
90 DARRUTH: .msg5956970
100 MALAKATH: .msg5957024
110 DARRUTH: (unblocks 20 for requisite E) -> 0E
120 MALAKATH: (blocks 110)
130 FUSIL: (blocks 120)
140 MALAKATH: (blocks 130)
160 MALAKATH: (unblocks all MALAKATH)
170 FORTUNA: (blocks 160)

Nested to 4 levels deep.
10 DARRUTH: (attempts to create Ley Lines)
   20 MALAKATH: (blocks 10)
      50 FUSIL: (blocks 20)
      80 FUSIL: (unblocks 20 per 60) -> cancels 50
      110 DARRUTH: (unblocks 20 for requisite E) -> 0E
         120 MALAKATH: (blocks 110)
         130 FUSIL: (blocks 120)
            140 MALAKATH: (blocks 130)
   40 FUSIL: (supports 10)
160 MALAKATH: (unblocks all MALAKATH)
   170 FORTUNA: (blocks 160)
30 MALAKATH: .msg5956760
60 FUSIL: .msg5956777
70 DARRUTH: .msg5956819
90 DARRUTH: .msg5956970
100 MALAKATH: .msg5957024

Kit challenges Tykki to a duel in the DBP. While this is not the first colloquial catfight, it is the first near-literal one. Fortuna has stepped in to block this from happening. Fusil has accepted on Tykki's behalf and ignored Fortuna.

Fusil has been perturbed by assorted gods taking tentacles. Could this be a sign of Fusil finally falling to Void corruption?

Mountwyrm-Tailwyrm hybrids have been given a 1% chance of developing a mutation rescuing the winged phenotype while still maintaining the tail.

(Where does 510 000 come from?)

Merchants and travelers have begun passing by the city of Tailwyrms with greater frequency. The Knights of Restoration will expand from this pool.

Neron has clapped with hands of ice for the destruction of the meaning of vetoes. Whether this refers to semantic satiation or something more deeply broken cannot be determined.

This update's constellations are the Hammer and Gravestone.

(KI'Tork: -1E, Neron: -4E, Darruth: -5E)

Spoiler: Deities (to be posted later, train stuff) (click to show/hide)

Array

Spoiler: Lawmode (click to show/hide)

Quéßäre v. Azem

58.05: Quéßäre sues Azem for cursing everyone's economies. (3-0) [PASSED]
+3 (Convict) from Quéßäre, Azem, Yaos

94.00: Put Azem in a funny hat as punishment (2-0)
+2 from Fusil, Cim
0 from Darruth
-1 from Malakath

94.01: Have Azem spend 3E to improve the economies affected most and issue a public apology (1-0)
+1 from Malakath
0 from Darruth

94.02: 94.00 and 94.01 at once (4-0) [IMMINENT PASS]
+4 from Fusil, Malakath, Raptil, Fortuna
0 from Darruth

Spoiler: Features (click to show/hide)

Skyfeatures: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5731808#msg5731808 (maintained by Happerry/Anath)
Skyfeatures: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5842048#msg5842048 (maintained by Andres/Yaos/Malakath)
Bestiary: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144651.msg5779202;topicseen#msg5779202 (maintained by Andres/Yaos/Malakath)

Spoiler: Deities (click to show/hide)

Taol (Freedom): 20/20, 2-3 (Safe stasis)
Anath (Night, Stars): 23/23, 6-7 (Safe stasis)
Artisanii (Arts, Inspiration): 24/24, 2-3 (Sealed away)
The Light (Light): 52/52, 5-6 (Sealed away)

Varee (Randomness): 6/31, 3-4 (Sealed away)
Carmine (Exploration, Science): 21/21, 1-2 (Sealed away)

Spoiler: Council rules (click to show/hide)

These are all subject to addition, removal, and change by you. They can effect changes in the game's core rules (mechanics), administrative laws (voting requirements, seniority privilegs, &c.) or the natural rules (light does not exist, gravity is repulsive, giant animals can fly like birds, &c.).
`Administrative:
A bill must be supported by at least 50% of active players to pass if unopposed.

A bill must achieve 60% support in order to pass if opposed.

Players may flame the host if he has been inactive for at least two (2) UTC days.

Council resolutions will not be counted until at least a major tick has passed.

Council-produced creations are not to be tampered with without council approval. Failure to comply will result in the automated initiation of a trial.

03.01: Only deities supporting a proposal enter the Essence pool

04.03: Remove proposals stagnant for 3 ticks or double opposed to supported for 1 tick <0>

Proposals at [IMMINENT PASS] will pass immediately if 80% of the Support or Oppose votes are Support votes.

34.05: A trial will end after 2 integer ticks (from Tx to Tx+2) with votes tallied based solely on support and opposition. Conflict results in comparing support and opposition.

Starter Code of Conduct:
I. Thou Shall Not Cause Megadeaths Or Extinction Events
II. Thou Shall Not Seek the Death of Another God
III. Thou Shall Not Force Mortals To Worship You
IV. Thou Shall Not Force Mortals Not To Worship Other Gods
V. Thou Shall Not Break The Universe

Active players are those who have posted in the last three (3) UTC days.

35.01: Arrange for a Void study committee
36.00.1: Trials held for assault, murder, or attempted murder last only for a tick (4-2/13) [EXTEND TO T42] [PASSED]

Natural:
02.00.b: Created race(s) is not/are not all immortal <?>
02.01.a: Sapients and not sentients are the dominant mortals to be created <?>
02.02: Support reincarnation in general <0-1>
02.02.1: Support looped reincarnation (i.e. between two worlds)
02.04: Create a spirit and a corporeal realm <48/77, (6-7/11-13)>
02.04.1: Bifurcate corporeal realm <6-7 (0-1)>
03.06: Make constellations without needing council permission
02.01.a.2: Support free will for mortals <0>
03.04.1: 03.04 for first two planets <0>
03.00: Build 3 million sapient humanoids evenly split between Material World 1 and Material World
02.03: Create up to ~30 total immortal, godinalized servants <13-14 (3-4)>
02.04.3: Support further amendment to Valkiss' proposal <?>
03.06.1: Make magical constellations that influence magic on the worlds
03.09: Name the two partitions Keshan and Slytha
04.01: Create grand ecumenical temples for every race <High 3-4>
12.01: Anath's five-part starter code of conduct
18.01: Create monstrous flora and fauna <?>

21.00: Make a gas giant for each system <15-16 (2-3)>
24.00: Create the Plane of Death and Battle <1-2 (0-1)>

35.00: Put constellations in order and in a cycle as opposed to randomly
35.01: Arrange for a Void study committee
40.00: New races must not be negatively acted upon from the mortals' perspective for at least 3 ticks

43.01: Refill the Library's supply of Void books
66.00: Disband the Human Empire and grant the citizens self-determination
75.01: Have non-votes count as Abstains

79.01: Contain the summoning/Void activity <4 (2)>

80.02.4: As above but for 4 ticks
80.05.2: Proposals require seconding by two other gods to pass
80.06: Resolve proposals at tick n+3 at the earliest
79.05: Silence Fusil permanently
85.01: Insta-pass proposals supported by 75% of active deities
85.00: Forbid Void-worshippers from using magic
86.00: Lift the limitation on magic
86.01: Encourage mortals to petition gods for magic
88.01: Burn the Lich!

Spoiler: Council proposals (9) (click to show/hide)

94.03: Votes toward punishing a convict may not come from the convict (2-3) [IMMINENT FAILURE]
+2 from Malakath, Raptil
-3 from Fusil, Fortuna, Darruth

95.00: Just fight to the death or have a war or something (3-2)
+3 from Fortuna, Fusil, Quéßäre
-2 from Malakath, Raptil

95.00.1: 95.00 refers only to Darruth and Malakath (2-0)
+2 from Malakath, Raptil

95.01: Have disagreements between exactly two gods solved by combat (1-2)
+1 from Khaziraad
-2 from Malakath, Raptil

95.02: Vetoes only work if publicly issued (1-2)
+1 from Melyssa
-2 from Fortuna, Fusil

95.03: Silence Malakath (2-2)
+2 from Fortuna, Neron
-2 from Melyssa, Malakath

95.04: Remove Malakath's right to veto (2-2)
+2 from Fortuna, Neron
-2 from Melyssa, Malakath

95.05: Force a cooldown of 3 ticks on vetoing (1-1)
+1 from Melyssa
-1 from Malakath

95.06: Vetoed things cannot be re-proposed for 10 ticks (1-1)
+1 from Melyssa
-1 from Malakath

95.07: Remove vetoes and veto-equivalent actions (1-0)
+1 from Darruth

Spoiler: New Proposals (6) (click to show/hide)

95.02: Vetoes only work if publicly issued (1-2)
+1 from Melyssa
-2 from Fortuna, Fusil

95.03: Silence Malakath (2-2)
+2 from Fortuna, Neron
-2 from Melyssa, Malakath

95.04: Remove Malakath's right to veto (2-2)
+2 from Fortuna, Neron
-2 from Melyssa, Malakath

95.05: Force a cooldown of 3 ticks on vetoing (1-1)
+1 from Melyssa
-1 from Malakath

95.06: Vetoed things cannot be re-proposed for 10 ticks (1-1)
+1 from Melyssa
-1 from Malakath

95.07: Remove vetoes and veto-equivalent actions (1-0)
+1 from Darruth

New players are always welcome. Sphere ideas this tick are Duty, Generosity, Magic, and Air. Opposing sphere ideas this tick are Stability and Want.

[hector13]

Fortuna: "But there's a bunch of Muses who made that centuries ago, and they might send me a team of Lawmancers if I copy their idea!"

Make it human politics then. The players are the leaders of some prominent cities and must compete with each other for resources in order to become the best city. Murder and general backstabbing is encouraged, but only as a part of roleplaying in the game.

"You will be pleased, I'm sure!"

I'm sure I will, mortal. Else I'll only have one person to blame...

Fortuna has established a Gaming Commission which very few gambling halls have agreed to join so far. The main complaints seem to be from the curse and the restriction on names, which they feel restricts their selection unnecessarily given the capricious nature of luck.

I neglected to mention that any gambling hall that isn't a part of the Commission will also be cursed.

Tycho seems to be doing very well. He has taken to wearing a coat half of gilded thread and half of torn rags. His preferred method of spreading Fortuna's message seems to be conning targets into thinking he can bestow gifts of luck through belief and generous donations.

Edit: Bless Tycho with the actual ability to influence another mortal's luck, but on a small scale (basically not any more than above or below average increases/decreases)

Tycho, my friend, what are you doing!? I can't have you deceiving people into worshiping me, that just won't do!

You should be singing the virtues of what worshiping me can bring, and warning people of what I can do to them should they fall on my bad side. Use yourself as an example; you are so lucky you don't even age! Ask people to challenge you to spectacular shows of luck. You know I'll always keep you safe.

The traveling entertainers have acquired a reputation as the only group that neglects safety nets, backstops, and properly built cages completely and are currently touring in the general direction of the Golden Grebe.

Edit: Tell them they must make reference to me as their benefactor in their shows by having the ringmaster dressed as me, else I'll make sure they can't continue without the safety equipment

Ask them to make reference to me by dressing the ringmaster as my avatar and do the show as though he is blessing the performers with luck to remain safe. They will receive my blessing, exclusively (for traveling entertainers...) in return for doing this.

[Andres]

Tick 96: Annoyance Ascended

(Finally! A decent title that actually relates to what happened in open IC! I knew this day would come! /half-joke)

RANDOM WARRIOR: (whispered) Why would I want to say something so silly!?

"I have given you an offer that brings great rewards with no downsides. So long as the bond between you is strong, you'll always have the option to make the conversion. I will leave you two now."

Face of the Burning Day: "We never said we despised them for that."

Another order of knights, the Knights of the Burning Day, have formed on the same day far away from the Knights of Restoration. Somehow, they know of the Knights of Restoration and look down on them.

The Burning Days state that they operate transparently and were told by their founder of the Bellators. They seem to be against secrecy and subterfuge.

The Bellatorus Sanatores don't do subterfuge.

Malakath:
"Maybe I'll just go ask someone else. Order, Protection, Wealth, and Weapons seem to be likely candidates."
"I am so calm right now! So calm! Even though the little man locked the door and is sharpening that knife!"

"Azem and Darruth are your best bets - especially Darruth. Fusil is more likely to favour the people who damage your property and Cim's dislike of lawmancy may negatively affect his decision to help you."
(Not that kind of calm. It's more like a martial artist or a samurai who's focused and at peace than a stoner who's unfocused and at peace.) I use a bit of telekinesis to prevent the little man from advancing any further. I then use some mind-reading to find out exactly what the little man is intending to do and why he's doing it.

Malakath attempts to unrestrict access to Darruth's Runic magic. Without knowing the actual details of its operation, this will have only little or no success.

Angel priests have been sent out to tour Muman, Mountwyrm, Human, Dwarf, Merperson, Wood Elf, Luminee, Night Elf, and Hummingbird capitals. Those touring the Night Elf capitals have been asked to leave by shadowy figures.

"Sorry about that. I thought I'd cancelled that action." Stop attempting to unrestrict access to Runic Magic. "I'd still appreciate it if you called it something else."

My angel priests will kidnap some of these shadowy figures and then bring them to me. I read their minds. Are they Void cultists or something?

(Where does 510 000 come from?)

(Starting population of 300k + population boom.)

Abstain 94.03: Votes toward punishing a convict may not come from the convict
Abstain 95.05: Force a cooldown of 3 ticks on vetoing
Abstain 95.06: Vetoed things cannot be re-proposed for 10 ticks

EDIT: Heaven is now known as Zeranzel. Now to think up a decent name for the Shadow Realm....

[Stirk]

RANDOM WARRIOR: (whispered) Why would I want to say something so silly!?

*Still whispering* "Because if you screamed 'Foxtrot this is Romeo Whiskey we are requesting immediate evac at our location will pop a smoke', you would sound just as silly and you would give away what we are doing! This way, I throw a few smoke grenades in, get you out, and put jellyrolls where you where standing. She will walk away and never suspect a thing!"

The anti-Void tactics seem to consist of interrogation and purging.

"Why did you pick up a book on the inquisition anyway ? I meant someone who knows what they are talking about."

Kit challenges Tykki to a duel in the DBP. While this is not the first colloquial catfight, it is the first near-literal one. Fortuna has stepped in to block this from happening. Fusil has accepted on Tykki's behalf and ignored Fortuna.

(But...what is the outcome! We have pilot waves now, we don't need any Schrodinger's cat!)

Spoiler: OOC in IC clutter; look here first if something didn't happen (click to show/hide)

(I can't help but feel partially responsible. Apologies.)

[Andres]

*Still whispering* "She will walk away and never suspect a thing!"

*Whispering* "Either that or she'll walk away on her own regardless." ((What I'm doing now. It was written in my IC action.))

"Why did you pick up a book on the inquisition anyway ? I meant someone who knows what they are talking about."

"Because you asked me to pick up a Fusil-darned book and I thought that a book written by what I assume to be a Fusil-darned organisation would also be Fusil-darned. I'll pick up another book, then."

I read one of the books on the Void that Fusil read.

[Stirk]

*Whispering* "Either that or she'll walk away on her own regardless." ((What I'm doing now. It was written in my IC action.))

*Still wispering* "OUR COVER HAS BEEN BLOWN ACT COOL!"

"Uh, that wasn't me Malakath. That was my morally ambiguous twin, Fusilli the Pasta Prince! He has been trying to get mortals to say "Malakath no swiping" since before you where born! Nobody knows why. He is a strange and enigmatic God, wondering the world with his loyal Soppatykki the Archangel of all things pasta. I have not mentioned him until now because he might destroy the entire council if angered."

[Rolepgeek]

((You know?

I've forgotten what stuff there is I want to do as a public action. At least the stuff that I can afford.

Hmmm. Also, samurai aren't at peace. Quite the opposite. They are at war. Part of Bushido is choosing death, whenever there is a choice between life and death. That's a paraphrased quote.))

Hmmm. What to do...oh, wait, I know.

Commission the construction of hospitals staffed primarily by Darruthian Healers through the cities of Good. They are free to those that cannot afford them, and cost those who can afford to pay only what is both reasonable and they can spare(scales according to their wealth; almost like a tax to use it, rather than a flat cost). In other ways, they should be funded by the Church.
I'm very interested in finding out how well the cities have been doing without me taking much of a hand in actual government, or at least I think I have. How prosperous are the cities? How are their lives? What problems do they have for me to address?

Oh, yes, and Decentralize.

[gman8181]

Do snake like tendrils count as tentacles? Because if they do, I had them before anyone. Not sure if it's something to be proud of though... they just seemed useful for eating really quickly.