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[Varee]

"I want a big hole in the middle, like a donut world that would give us more space to put mountain and ocean on."

[Ambidextrous]

"I agree with the suggestion of the great shadow," Kli quietly states. "Reality bends to our wills, therefore, any alterations may take place at any time afterwards."
After speaking, Kli returns to being a silent observer of the discussion.

[DreamerGhost]

"While I greatly enjoy observing intent of creation, I must interfere here. I aprove of creating realms and living beings, yet there are flaws in designs you offer for both. If we have two interconected worlds and the spirits of people would travel to another on death, what would happen if a war broke out on both simultaneously, and the number of dying greatly exceded number of being born? We would end up with great numbers of lost souls, doomedd to wander between the realms. Furthermore, the mortals should not be created in a way that would force them to worship us, otherwise, their worship would be the same as one of us praising himself. No better would be creations of limited mind, for they too would nothing more than an extension of the one who created them. Among us there is only one truly capable of creating true life, and that is Varee. With proper moderation from the rest of us, he could create beings of free will, people that would afiliate themselves with deity by choice."

[IcyTea31]

"And what if they do not want to affiliate themselves? We must awe them the moment they become truly free, and to do that, we need to show them both what we, they, and they with our aid are capable of, through giving them the freedoms gradually, to guide them to the right choice. Thus, we should create them bound to our will and sow the seeds of sapience, morality and creativity bit by bit."

[Kilojoule Proton]

Tick 02.5: Shapes emerge

There is much discussion among the newborn and newly arrived gods, mostly about the arrangement of the much-needed worlds and their inhabitants. Somewhat unexpectedly, given their diversity, there is little bickering. They appear to be rapidly approaching a decision to be enforced by the as yet-unnamed council—indeed, the first such decision! This will prove to be a grand resolution with far-reaching effects that will influence the form, inhabitants, and laws of the future also-unnamed-'verse.

Now, there is still much room for creation and modification.

(This summary is about 5 hours old. It probably shows.)

Spoiler: Deities (+1) (click to show/hide)

Cim the Lawgiver (Order): 20/20, 0
Varee (Randomness): 20/20, 0
Dar-MA-GOme (Honor): 20/20, 0
Valkiss (Treachery): 20/20, 0
Fusil (Weapons): 20/20, 0
Azem (Greed): 20/20, 0
Anath (Night): 20/20, 0
Khaziraad (Architecture): 20/20, 0
Kli (Balance): 20/20, 0
Grauel (Hunger): 20/20, 0
Serac (Oceans): 20/20, 0

Spoiler: Council rules (+1) (click to show/hide)

These are all subject to addition, removal, and change by you. They can effect changes in the game's core rules (mechanics), administrative laws (voting requirements, seniority privilegs, &c.) or the natural rules (light does not exist, gravity is repulsive, giant animals can fly like birds, &c.).

An active player is defined as a player who has posted within the thread within the last two (2) UTC days.

A bill must be supported by at least 50% of active players to pass if unopposed.

A bill must achieve 60% support in order to pass if opposed.

Players may flame the host if he has been inactive for at least two (2) UTC days.

Council resolutions will not be counted until at least a major tick has passed.

Spoiler: Council proposals (+1) (click to show/hide)

The following proposal seems to be the most recent version with significant support:

Valkiss snapped his fingers.

"Dying in the afterlife! That's perfect, we'll use that.

Instead of one realm, we'll have two. That is, instead of one realm for immortal avatars of their masters and one realm for living things, we'll have one realm for immortal avatars of their masters and two realms for living things. When they die in one, their soul is shunted to the other. That way by the time they make it back around, they should be sufficiently different, both from whatever losses they suffer from reincarnation, and whatever gains they achieve in between.


So what do you all say? Two realms, one for handcrafted immortals, one for a singular tribe. Within the tribal realm, two further realms, for them to bounce between on death. Within those realms, one tribe, well perhaps one each, differentiated and spread out as they're wont to be, but naturally and fluidly, not because they were carved that way or earmarked as sacred property."

Consensus is at 7-0/11 (7 support vs 0 oppose / 11 actives). Gods I understand to be in support of the current revision at this time include Valkiss, Azem, Grauel, Fusil, Cim, Anoth, and Serac. There are currently no gods opposed to it, and there are a few supporting earlier versions. In the future, please also provide lengthy, rapidly changing proposals in list/outline format, whether here or in OOC. This makes it possible to track support for specific parts and makes it easier for others to amend them. If you supported this proposal and do not appear on the list or rejected this proposal and are on the list, please send a correction at once.

The most recent direct proposed amendment to this proposal is this:

I agree with the cycle of reincarnation, and think we should, for now, create only one or two worlds. We simply do not have the power for more at this time.

I propose we create the mortal realms now. The first shall be a world of dust and sand, ringed thrice by a ring of water (With a core of sand), a ring of ice (With a core of water) and a ring of clouds.
There shall be great constructs, forged of searing metals by the gods, which shall carry the power of storms as they stride across the land. They shall be known as life bringers, for they carry the waters of life as they travel. To guard them shall be wisps, creating lightning to attack those foolish enough to attempt to fell a life bringer, and repairing them should one fall.

(The life bringers will be giant metal beings that are constantly surrounded by storms. They can die if their heads, which contain a great pool of water, are destroyed. That's what the wisps are for.)

It does not currently have enough feedback or explicit support, and neither do most of the amendments. Please remember to bold or underline support or opposition.

Spoiler: New players (click to show/hide)

New players are still welcome. The earlier you enter, the likely you are to have a significant effect on the future.

Current sphere ideas are Poetry, Deformity, Air, and Animal.

[Salsacookies]

"You are all foolish! What you speak of is uncertain, and weak in it's very foundation! I tell you now, we must be strong now, let them have choice later, if you want them to. To me, choice is just treachery and dishonour in sweet clothing. And for those who wish to see them suffer and die in short lives, you call me self-loving and self-serving, you are right, I wish them to not be forcefully stolen, and know of their stolen freedom beforehand. Also, you are just as self serving, green leech, you wish them to suffer, just for your own. I accept this, hopefully MY people may save yours, before they see theirs, AND YOUR, eternal judgement as Envy's toys

[Ambidextrous]

"Let us not be too hasty with our remarks here; if one god wishes for there to be a free-willed race, then he shall receive one. If he wishes the opposite, he too shall receive one. We all have our own ways of going about our duties, yet I see no need for a heated dispute on the nature and meaning of free will." Kli looks warily at the golden-scale dragon.

[DreamerGhost]

Tell me, what purpose the period of unconciousness will serve?

[IcyTea31]

"I did not mean complete unconsciousness. I meant gradual learning and freedom for an easy landing to true free will. As the creatures slowly gain their independence of us, they understand how dependent they have been, and will not renounce us, out of their own free will. While we can't make them worship us, we can teach them how good doing so is to them. With a strong, logical argument, generations after them will keep giving us their worship. Immediately giving them free will might lead to them making rash decisions before they understand the workings of the world, and when the later generations notice this, they might act unpredictably. It is a good idea to plan for the future, you should know this."

[Stirk]

Sleep is for the weak, isn't it?
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I look toward the ocean god, disapprovingly.

"What purpose would making the world a desert have? We can make it a lush paradise with little more effort. We have no purpose for life bringers if the world itself acts as a life bringing. I would assume a water god such as yourself would detest the desert, not suggest it. Besides, that would block of the night sky one of us loves so much, and is simply untested. Why not go with a simpler, more practical design?"

"The sapients must have arms and legs, and the ability to do things for itself, at the very least to arm itself. What would be the purpose of making them if they could not perform the actions we need to survive? As for their 'free will', it matters not to me. Perhaps we should give the mortals free will, as an experiment, with the immortals as our devout followers? We can always change the mortals their next cycle if it fails, and it is my view that that was the intent in the first place. There will be no lost souls, as we are gods. If there are no births, we can send them to the world anyway if we so desire. There is no reason they can not be born a beast for a cycle. Failing that, we may simply wait for an opportunity to send them in, keeping them in the third realm until we get our chance."

[DreamerGhost]

A fine idea, Fusil. Practical solution for a problem. I can apreciate that. As for the land and sentients, the exact form of either is irrelevant, if we make them compatible. I would preffer a world where stone wood and metals were abundant, I care little abaut other factors. The mortals theemselves could be fully sapient, with few of them granted our blesing to guide the rest.

[Varee]

I propose that we name this realm Pat the Bob.

[IcyTea31]

"P-Pat the B-Bob?! Where the Void did you come up with a name such as that? That is...simply...terrible. I see no reason to call the realm anything along those lines."

[Happerry]

Anath shakes his head. "Like most of our random colleague's suggestions, I fail to see the value of a single word that passed through his mouth."

"As for the issue of delayed reincarnation, I fail to see why it is an issue. As long as they are reincarnated, even if it takes a while, the cycle will continue."

[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

Sleep is for the weak, isn't it?
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I look toward the ocean god, disapprovingly.

"What purpose would making the world a desert have? We can make it a lush paradise with little more effort. We have no purpose for life bringers if the world itself acts as a life bringing. I would assume a water god such as yourself would detest the desert, not suggest it. Besides, that would block of the night sky one of us loves so much, and is simply untested. Why not go with a simpler, more practical design?"

But why go simple? It is easier to create something grand then to start small and build up. We are gods after all. Why test, when we can force it to work?
I do agree, the center of desert is not what I want. It should be a "standard" planet, surrounded by rings. But why not life bringers, instead of rain?