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[Kilojoule Proton]

(The OOC thread now has a (fairly) comprehensive list of the Tick 02 proposals up to about an hour ago.)

[Stirk]

But why go simple? It is easier to create something grand then to start small and build up. We are gods after all. Why test, when we can force it to work?
I do agree, the center of desert is not what I want. It should be a "standard" planet, surrounded by rings. But why not life bringers, instead of rain?

"I disagree. The best weapons are the simplest. Complicated breeds complications. They are simply a needlessly complicated form of rain, there is no reason to add difficulty to our world that is not necessary. Why make a difficult to control mortal when simple weather patterns will accomplish the same thing?"

[gman8181]

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"While I greatly enjoy observing intent of creation, I must interfere here. I aprove of creating realms and living beings, yet there are flaws in designs you offer for both. If we have two interconected worlds and the spirits of people would travel to another on death, what would happen if a war broke out on both simultaneously, and the number of dying greatly exceded number of being born? We would end up with great numbers of lost souls, doomedd to wander between the realms. Furthermore, the mortals should not be created in a way that would force them to worship us, otherwise, their worship would be the same as one of us praising himself. No better would be creations of limited mind, for they too would nothing more than an extension of the one who created them. Among us there is only one truly capable of creating true life, and that is Varee. With proper moderation from the rest of us, he could create beings of free will, people that would afiliate themselves with deity by choice."

If such a situation were to arise, it would be a simple matter for us to intervene and end the conflict on at least one of the sides. Especially should we choose to work jointly in doing so. Regardless, I see your point and feel it would be ideal to have a situation where our intervention is not necessarily needed. A spirit realm of some sort does seem like a proper way to give everyone a break before they go on living another life should reincarnation be implemented.

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"And what if they do not want to affiliate themselves? We must awe them the moment they become truly free, and to do that, we need to show them both what we, they, and they with our aid are capable of, through giving them the freedoms gradually, to guide them to the right choice. Thus, we should create them bound to our will and sow the seeds of sapience, morality and creativity bit by bit."

Ah but wouldn't it be so much more satisfying to have them choose us rather than it being forced on them? For all included, I would think. And why should you as a god be so concerned with their defiance? It is surely within your power as it is within all of us to show might in a manner where it would be hard indeed for any lesser being to wish to oppose it. If they do still and it truthfully bothers you so? Well then eat them and be done with it.

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"You are all foolish! What you speak of is uncertain, and weak in it's very foundation! I tell you now, we must be strong now, let them have choice later, if you want them to. To me, choice is just treachery and dishonour in sweet clothing. And for those who wish to see them suffer and die in short lives, you call me self-loving and self-serving, you are right, I wish them to not be forcefully stolen, and know of their stolen freedom beforehand. Also, you are just as self serving, green leech, you wish them to suffer, just for your own. I accept this, hopefully MY people may save yours, before they see theirs, AND YOUR, eternal judgement as Envy's toys

"Sigh" Are you deaf? I asked if you wish your creations to be self loving and self serving. I directed no comment of the sort towards yourself... although if you are so eager to admit to such attributes then so be it.
Although you bring up an interesting point. If choice is treachery and dishonor would that not make all of us so, considering last I checked we appear to have at least a very close semblance of free will ourselves. Seems like a rather self defeating statement if I am not incorrect at interpreting your meaning. And who exactly are you trying to impress with petty insults? They make a poor substitute for logic based argument.
If you wish to make your servants without free will, be my guest. Create your kingdom of mindless golems and reap whatever benefits you can from it. I'll be interested to see how easily you stave off starvation.

While slithering away.
Regarding those... life bringers. Well whose to say we can't have those in addition to normal weather? Should an area be neglected of rain for whatever reason, they may well serve as an appropriate method for maintaining a healthy world. Still I'd rate them more as a secondary priority to making a regular self sustaining world if essence turns out to be initially tight.

[Kilojoule Proton]

Tick 03: Discussion intensifies

The gods continue their clamorous yet restrained discussion, arguing about what sorts of worlds to create and how to deal with their inhabitants. Some proposals are considered to have already passed, but whether or not to implement them immediately remains a question in some of the gods' minds. As their discussion enters a period of decreased intensity, some hear indistinct whispers from beyond the Great Film, the almost impossibly thin barrier responsible for separating the Void's Chaos from the bubble's Calm.

The council of gods has resolved to create at least one mortal race (02.00.b passed, 02.00.a failed) consisting of sapients and not sentients (02.01.a passed, 02.01.b failed) with minor resistance. They have also decided to support a reincarnation loop between the two corporeal worlds they plan to create (pass 02.02 and 02.02.1) to the protests of Khaziraad of Architecture. The infrastructure for this, the bifurcated mortal plane, is still guaranteed at this point (pass 02.04.1). A sizable minority of gods wish to create immortal, customized servants, but not enough agree to pass this measure (02.03 not passed). Some speak of creating personal realms for their closest followers and servants, but not enough gods seem to have discussed this (02.04.2 not passed). A few gods agree that the current arrangement is by no means perfect and have resolved to improve it in the future (02.04.5 not passed). Varee, voice of Randomness proposes naming the world "Pat the Bob," at which two gods instantly reveal their disapproval.

Following this, a massive portion of the bubble churns as the gods proceed to create a spirit and a corporeal grand dimension. A massive explosion occurs as the gods split the corporeal dimension into two parts linked only for unbound souls, but the worlds they design are still empty. Mildly satisfied with their initial step at creation, they return to their discussion on what to create inside the dimensions. They proceed to discuss the future inhabitants of the worlds, the shapes of the worlds themselves, and their names.

Spoiler: Deities (NC) (click to show/hide)

Cim the Lawgiver (Order): 18/20, 0
Varee (Randomness): 17/20, 0
Dar-MA-GOme (Honor): 18/20, 0
Valkiss (Treachery): 17/20, 0
Fusil (Weapons): 17/20, 0
Azem (Greed): 19/20, 0
Anath (Night): 19/20, 0
Khaziraad (Architecture): 17/20, 0
Kli (Balance): 17/20, 0
Grauel (Hunger): 18/20, 0
Serac (Oceans): 19/20, 0

Spoiler: Council rules (+6) (click to show/hide)

These are all subject to addition, removal, and change by you. They can effect changes in the game's core rules (mechanics), administrative laws (voting requirements, seniority privilegs, &c.) or the natural rules (light does not exist, gravity is repulsive, giant animals can fly like birds, &c.).
Administrative:
An active player is defined as a player who has posted within the thread within the last two (2) UTC days.

A bill must be supported by at least 50% of active players to pass if unopposed.

A bill must achieve 60% support in order to pass if opposed.

Players may flame the host if he has been inactive for at least two (2) UTC days.

Council resolutions will not be counted until at least a major tick has passed.

Natural:
02.00.b: Created race(s) is not/are not all immortal (9-0/11) <?>
02.01.a: Sapients and not sentients are the dominant mortals to be created (9-0/11) <?>
02.02: Support reincarnation in general (8-0/11) <0-1>
02.02.1: Support looped reincarnation (i.e. between two worlds) (7-1/11)
02.04: Create a spirit and a corporeal realm (7-0/11) <48/77, (6-7/11-12)>
02.04.1: Bifurcate corporeal realm (7-0/11) <6-7 (0-1)>

Spoiler: Council proposals (NOTENOUGHVOTING) (click to show/hide)

PropID: Description (Status) <BaseCost (IndivCost at current agreement)>
02.00.a: Created race(s) is/are all immortal (0-1/11) <?> [FAILED]
-1 from Valkiss
02.00.b: Created race(s) is not/are not all immortal (9-0/11) <?> [PASSED]
+9 from Fusil, Dar-MA-Gome, Anath, Valkiss, Azem, Grauel, Cim, Anath, Serac

02.01.a: Sapients and not sentients are the dominant mortals to be created (9-0/11) <?> [PASSED]
+9 from Fusil, Dar-MA-Gome, Anath, Valkiss, Azem, Grauel, Cim, Anath, Serac
02.01.a.1: Create 300 sapients to seed the world (1-0/11) <2-3 (2-3)>
+1 from Serac
02.01.a.2: Support free will for mortals (2-0/11) <?>
+2? from Khaziraad, Dar-MA-Gome, ? ? ?
02.01.a.2.1: Support graded free will (i.e. progressively increased) (1-0/11) <1-2?>
+1 from Cim
02.001.b: Sentients and not sapients are the dominant mortals to be created (1-0/11) <?> [FAILED]
+1 from Varee

02.02: Support reincarnation in general (8-0/11) <0-1> [PASSED]
+8 from Fusil, Dar-MA-Gome, Valkiss, Anath, Azem, Grauel, Fusil, Cim, Serac
02.02.1: Support looped reincarnation (i.e. between two worlds) (7-1/11) [PASSED]
+7 from Valkiss, Azem, Grauel, Fusil, Cim, Anath, Serac
-1 from Khaziraad

02.03: Create up to ~30 total immortal, godinalized servants (5-0/11) <13-14 (3-4)>
+4 from Valkiss, Azem, Fusil, Cim
Warning: Servants will be deployed only for supporting gods.

02.04: Create a spirit and a corporeal realm (7-0/11) <48/77, (6-7/11-12)> [PASSED]
+7 from Valkiss, Azem, Grauel, Fusil, Cim, Anath, Serac
Warning: The spirit realm calculation assumes no sphere alignment.
Warning: So does the corporeal realm calculation
Warning: The smaller number applies only if you decide to host both of the corporeal realms in the same dimension.

02.04.1: Bifurcate corporeal realm (7-0/11) <6-7 (0-1)> [PASSED]
+7 from Valkiss, Azem, Grauel, Fusil, Cim, Anath, Serac
Warning: This proposal applies only if you decided to host both corporeal realms in the same dimension. If you decided to have two separate corporal dimensions instead, this proposal does not apply.
Info: Transferring souls within the same corporeal dimension is an iffy process with some chance of error (but is much cheaper than creating two separate dimensions).

02.04.2: Support creation of a corporeal realm for every god or every pair of gods (1-2/11) <?>
+1 from Anath
-2 from Cim, Serac
Info: There is not currently enough support to calculate this (and calculating it would probably further decrease support).

02.04.3: Support further amendment to Valkiss' proposal (2-0/11) <?>
+2 from Fusil, Cim

02.04.4: Support Serac's world model (aligned) (1-1/11) <8-10 (8-10>
+1 from Serac
-1 from , Fusil

02.04.4.1: Support adding life bringers to Serac's world model (1-0/11) <2-3 (2-3)>
+1 from Serac

02.04.4.2: Support adding wisps to Serac's world model (1-1/11) <1-2 (1-2)>
+1 from Serac
-1 from Fusil

02.04.5: Support focusing on getting a world now and details later (3-0/11) <?>
+3 from Anath, Kli, Fusil

02.04.6: Support toroidal corporeal worlds (1-0/11) <0 (0)>
+1 from Varee

02.05: Support creating godinalized primary races (1-0/11) <2-3 (2-3)>
+1 from Kli
Warning: Assumed up to 300 individuals total

02.06: Support making world ready for construction (aligned) (1-0/11) <0 (0)>
+1 from Khaziraad

02.07: Name world "Pat the Bob" (1-2/11) <0 (0)>
+1 from Varee
-2 from Cim, Anath

Please remember to bold or underline support or opposition.

Spoiler: New players (click to show/hide)

New players are still welcome. The earlier you enter, the likely you are to have a significant effect on the future. Especially now, when people are voting on many different things (hopefully).

Current sphere ideas are Forgiveness, Inspiration, Fire, and Protection.

(Yes, you will all receive more Essence as time goes on.)

(Edit: renumbered tick properly)

[Happerry]

Anath frowns at the new world. "I would prefer to create two separate dimensions, and not simply half ass it by Bifurcating one dimension."

[Kilojoule Proton]

(You can propose to spend the difference to upgrade the corporeal realms to two separate dimensions. Cost will run around 29 (2-3) assuming no resistance).

[Stirk]

Anath frowns at the new world. "I would prefer to create two separate dimensions, and not simply half ass it by Bifurcating one dimension."

(We created THREE world. One spirit, then the two corporeal. The corporeal are connected so we can have the reincarnation, probably. Too expensive and worthless to change it.)

"The most important thing right now is the people who will inhabit this land. We don't have much a design to go off of, except that of ourselves. However our design needs hands to do our bidding, and feet to walk around. As such, the only suitable form among us is the humanoids. Thus, I propose we build about 3 million sentient sapient humanoids, splitting them in half between the two corporeal realms."

[Happerry]

(No, currently we created only two worlds, and then split the one for mortals in half. Go check the proposals, specifically 02.04.1)

[Kilojoule Proton]

(Realistically, you probably won't run into too many problems with the bifurcated world thing unless you push the mortals to perfect a way of traveling through the soul-paths and force them into a war or something equally weird.)

[Varee]

Hey This is no fair, Why use my energy to do thing. I propose that only deity that support the proposal spend essence. And until that happen I would Vote Against all current and future proposal.

[Stirk]

Hey This is no fair, Why use my energy to do thing. I propose that only deity that support the proposal spend essence. And until that happen I would Vote Against all current and future proposal.

" I disagree. It is plenty fair. We all reap the rewards, as such we must all reap the costs".

[gman8181]

"The most important thing right now is the people who will inhabit this land. We don't have much a design to go off of, except that of ourselves. However our design needs hands to do our bidding, and feet to walk around. As such, the only suitable form among us is the humanoids. Thus, I propose we build about 3 million sentient sapient humanoids, splitting them in half between the two corporeal realms."

Supported

[Vgray]

"The most important thing right now is the people who will inhabit this land. We don't have much a design to go off of, except that of ourselves. However our design needs hands to do our bidding, and feet to walk around. As such, the only suitable form among us is the humanoids. Thus, I propose we build about 3 million sentient sapient humanoids, splitting them in half between the two corporeal realms."

"This has my support."

[Varee]

Hey This is no fair, Why use my energy to do thing. I propose that only deity that support the proposal spend essence. And until that happen I would Vote Against all current and future proposal.

" I disagree. It is plenty fair. We all reap the rewards, as such we must all reap the costs".

If i create monkeys with my own energy, and they decide to worship you, should you pay energy to me as you are getting the reward? Your logic is flawed.

[Detoxicated]

"Greetings" says the incredibly bright light in front of you with a humourous tone.
"I say all beings in the worlds shall have the ability to reincarnate. Through the use of their good free will they will be reincarnated in a better place with more possibilities as well as responsibilities. Beings shall be classified in different levels and each level should have special rules dictated to it, every following level would add further rules to the already present ones. We can have all of this on the two worlds we have now, or we could create seven further worlds to represent the different levels of existance. Beings who followed us on the highest levels would acquire the most essence obviously. Once the level niners are finished with their rites and passages they shall go to a personalized heaven world of their chosen god. From where they watch over the followers on other worlds, becoming immortal and part of your own personal pantheon.