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[Hellheart]

If I need trees I just milk my Dryads 

My island!  HISSSS

That's sap. You know what sap is, right? It's sometimes used to make syrup, which by the way can enhance some of Our Fine Cheeses in small amounts. We have Heard that Centaur milk makes a Passable Cheese. Perhaps you should try that so you know what Cheese actually is.

Unless, of course, you are Lactose Intolerant. The People of Vanheim are Enlightened and as such do not tolerate Discrimination of any kind.

...Except for Discrimination against Lizardmen or Amazons, who are the Natural Enemies of our People and must be Enslaved whenever and wherever they are Found.

[gman8181]

Didn't a group of 4 elephants used to be able to steamroll independents back in Dom3? Has something changed horribly or am I just really unlucky this game?

[Shadowlord]

It's a little risky. What sort of indies were you trying to steamroll?

[gman8181]

Not at my dominions computer but off the top of my head: Some bear tribes people. Tried distracting them initially with a few markata while the elephants went in the back. They didn't even really touch the elephants but apparently just like 5 markata biting it caused them to route right near the leadership. Uh, another was some blood henge Druids whom I admittedly should have checked for those blood vines; same thing, routed right before stomping leadership. Oh and longdead of all things. Elephants almost route but barely win, then an Indy attack happens after.

[Shadowlord]

I'd suggest either more elephants (to make them not break as quickly), or not spending your money on elephants at all (because they're pretty expensive). If you do, trampling straight through the enemy will work better than trying to sneak around as long as you're fighting standard-size enemies. Attack rear is still a good order, just stick the elephants in the center-front so they charge right through the enemy's center mass - the mass-slaughtering they do (instakilling normal non-cavalry standard-size indie troops) is good for causing routs, but elephants are not terribly high in morale (or protection) themselves. (And they're fairly easy to counter, but the indie AI isn't going to be trying, necessarily)

[Delta Foxtrot]

Did you have the four elephants in their own squad?

I'm pretty sure that squads of five or less (or less than five?) make a morale check every turn even if they're not being damaged. That's a quick way to get yourself routed.

[Hellheart]

Did you have the four elephants in their own squad?

I'm pretty sure that squads of five or less (or less than five?) make a morale check every turn even if they're not being damaged. That's a quick way to get yourself routed.

Did some testing with Bandar since I eventually want to succeed with them. Bandar can only effectively expand using either Tiger Riders with at least a Major-Minor Bless or Elephants. Several Bandar troops have their uses...just not against independents, and you have to be clever with them.

Elephant expansion starts by stashing the Atavi and killing off the useless Markata archers on Turn 1 with a Retreat order on the commander. I recruit 4 Elephants , which means no Turn 1 mage without heavy positive scales. A squad of 4 elephants with half of the Atavi set to Guard Commander can wipe out weaker Indies with no casualties and - more often than not - no afflictions

There are two traps with Elephant Bandar expansion: your Markata archers have terrible aim and will rout your own elephants, and if you aren't experienced with scripting the opponent may attack first and possibly rout your elephants.

[AlStar]

So Ulm, no "thanks for saving my bacon" for preventing your stale? (Actually, Shadowlord is who you should thank, since he noticed an hour or so out from the turn processing and sent me a PM, which, since I happened to check my email shortly after while at work, allowed me to call up my wife and ask her to push back the deadline (darn work web filters, not letting me access Bay12 or Llama.))

[Shadowlord]

He probably didn't notice he was going to run out of time. If he had, he could have asked for an extension - Ideally, much earlier than when I sent that PM. I was honestly surprised you even saw the email from the forums in time, let alone were able to postpone it.

[Elfeater]

OH, thanks, I I saw that there were a few hours left on my email when I got on so I did my turn.
Didn't notice, sorry, but thanks.

[HopFlash]

*grmpf* I failed with my god...I don't want to go in detail atm but it was a not necessary setback

[Puzzlemaker]

Thank you cheesedude for backing off, I appreciate it.

I took a risk this turn.  Lets see if it pays off!

[Hellheart]

Thank you cheesedude for backing off, I appreciate it.

I took a risk this turn.  Lets see if it pays off!

Jarlsberg Cheese himself will Gaze Upon His former Colony this month. He expects to see a Happy Populace that is enjoying large quantities of Our Finest Cheese. Do not Disappoint Him.

I have not informed him of the Ichtyid Province, for he would be Greatly Wroth at the lost possibility of Conquering the High Seas. Pray he never finds out.

[Shadowlord]

Toady Two: You just activated my trap card!

[Toady Two]

Did you do something clever? I couldn't tell. Looks to me like your OP sacreds just did what they are supposed to do.