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[Orgeston]

Okay, so I'm new at this modding thing, and trying to make a hive colossus, which is made out of wax and has a honey interior/blood. I've done the best I can, but it doesn't melt when I load it in arena mode and turn up the temperature, like a bronze colossus. Here are my raws:

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[CREATURE:COLOSSUS_HIVE]
[DESCRIPTION:A gigantic magic statue made of honeycomb and bent on mayhem.]
[NAME:hive colossus:hive colossi:hive colossus]
[CASTE_NAME:hive colossus:hive colossi:hive colossus]
[CREATURE_TILE:'C'][COLOR:6:0:1]
[MEGABEAST][DIFFICULTY:15] 11 or higher does not get assigned as adv mode quests
[ATTACK_TRIGGER:80:10000:100000]
[FANCIFUL]
[NOPAIN][EXTRAVISION][NOBREATHE][NOSTUN][NONAUSEA][NOEMOTION]
[NOTHOUGHT][NOEXERT]
[NO_DIZZINESS]
[NO_FEVERS]
[BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
[LARGE_PREDATOR]
[NO_DRINK][NO_EAT][NO_SLEEP]
[SPHERE:FOOD]
[SPHERE:STRENGTH]
[SPHERE:CHAOS]
[NOT_LIVING]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[BIOME:ANY_LAND]
[EQUIPS]
[NOFEAR]
[PREFSTRING:height]
[NOBONES]
[ODOR_LEVEL:500000]
[SMELL_TRIGGER:10000] cannot smell
[BODY:HUMANOID_NECK:2EYES:2EARS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:5FINGERS:5TOES]
[NO_THOUGHT_CENTER_FOR_MOVEMENT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:HONEY:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen honey bee honey]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:honey bee honey]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling honey bee honey]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:AMBER]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:6:0:0]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:DRINK_MAT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:MEAD]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:HONEY:LIQUID]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:WAX:WAX_TEMPLATE]
[TISSUE:LOCAL_CEATURE_MAT:WAX]
[TISSUE_NAME:wax:wax]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:WAX]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:WAX:HONEY]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:20000000]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[ATTACK:PUNCH:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:GRASP]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:punch:punches]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:STANCE]
[ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
[ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ITEMCORPSE:HIVE:NO_SUBTYPE:WAX]
[ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY:5]
[DIURNAL]
[LAIR:SHRINE:100]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_BIPED_GAITS:900:657:438:219:1900:2900] 40 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CLIMBING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_SWIMMING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:STANDARD_CRAWLING_GAITS:2990:2257:1525:731:4300:6100] 12 kph
[SWIMS_LEARNED]
Also, I know that the wax hive item corpse attempt is really lazy. Is there a way I could get that to work?

[scamtank]

[TISSUE:LOCAL_CEATURE_MAT:WAX]

[smakemupagus]

[ITEMCORPSE:HIVE:NO_SUBTYPE:WAX]
Also, I know that the wax hive item corpse attempt is really lazy. Is there a way I could get that to work?

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#ITEMCORPSE
look here you'll see the syntax is
[ITEMCORPSE:<ITEM TOKEN>:<MATERIAL TOKEN>]
that is,
[ITEMCORPSE:ITEM_TYPE:ITEM_SUBTYPE:MATERIAL_TYPE:MATERIAL_ARGS]

so, already a red flag is that your thing doesn't have the right number of tokens.  lets look a little closer.  Here are the allowed item types
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Item_token

HIVE is not an item, so that means your "HIVE:NO_SUBTYPE" isn't right.

Following up on the hint under "tool" on that wiki page i searched a bit item_tool.txt to find that the Hive is a subtype of tool and it's identifier is ITEM_TOOL_HIVE. 
Therefore the correct item token is "TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_HIVE"

Now,
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Material_token

Again, "WAX" isn't on the list, so that's not a valid material token. 
What you probably want is LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:XXXX where XXXX is some material that you've already defined within the creature definition.  Let me assume that you've correctly defined a local material called "WAX".  then the full material token is LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX

putting it together,
[ITEMCORPSE:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_HIVE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX]

no guarantees but i hope that illustrates the process a little bit

[Orgeston]

Alright, I fixed the CEATURE typo and the item-corpse issue. Thanks a bunch, that all makes sense. Unfortunately I can't see if the item-corpse thing worked, because the colossus won't die. There's still something I did wrong. All attacks pass through it, and the game crashes whenever I try to view it. Did I load the wax from the materials right?
Will this work?

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[TISSUE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX]
[TISSUE_NAME:wax:wax]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:WAX]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]Or does it need to be this?

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[TISSUE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX]
[TISSUE_NAME:wax:wax]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]I've tried it with either one, and it's the same thing.

Did I get this right?

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[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:WAX:HONEY]It still doesn't work even if I set it back to WAX:ALL like the bronze colossus, but is that the correct way I'd give it a honey interior?

[smakemupagus]

[TISSUE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX]
is wrong because The argument for the token TISSUE is a name.  that is, you're just assigning a label to the new tissue that you're about to define -- you could call it "wax" or "foobar" or "orgestonsNewTissue" or whatever.  But by using the argument "LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX" it looks like you're trying to assign it a material.

Since TISSUE is a creature token you can see what arguments it expects, here:  http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#T


[TISSUE_MATERIAL:WAX]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX]
The argument for tissue_material is a material, and all the valid materials are in this list:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.34:Material_token 
WAX is not on the list so the first one is wrong.  LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT is.  Therefore, as long as you've created WAX as a valid material locally, the second form should be OK.

,.... Do you not have anything helpful in your errorlog.txt?

[Quietust]

Did I get this right?

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[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:WAX:HONEY]It still doesn't work even if I set it back to WAX:ALL like the bronze colossus, but is that the correct way I'd give it a honey interior?

Of course it doesn't work - you specified BY_CATEGORY, but you didn't actually provide a category. Additionally, HONEY isn't a valid tissue location - it needs to be NORMAL, FRONT, LEFT, RIGHT, TOP, BOTTOM, ABOVE:[specifier], AROUND:[specifier], or simply nothing at all.

If you want to follow the Bronze Colossus example, you want to use [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:WAX].

If you want your creature to leak honey when injured, you should probably look at the raws for the "iron man" creature - it contains gas instead of liquid, but it should be simple enough to adapt.

[TISSUE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX]
is wrong because The argument for the token TISSUE is a name.  that is, you're just assigning it a label.  But by using the argument "LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WAX" it looks like you're trying to assign it a material

In other words, it should just be [TISSUE:WAX].

[smakemupagus]

Did I get this right?

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[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:WAX:HONEY]It still doesn't work even if I set it back to WAX:ALL like the bronze colossus, but is that the correct way I'd give it a honey interior?

The bronze colossus must be TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:BRONZE, not TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:BRONZE:ALL, no?  Because the arguments should be
TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:<category>:<tissue>:<optional location>
"ALL" could be a valid category and "BRONZE" is the name of a tissue within the Bronze colossus, but the reverse wouldn't make sense

ninjaed by Quietust explaining better

[Orgeston]

Alright, thanks, I understand a lot more than I did. I don't get error messages any more, and it gives/takes hits, dies, leaves behind a wax hive, and leaks honey, and melts.
I'm going to give it a breath attack where it breathes a yellow gas called 'killer bees' and it'll have the same aspects as bee venom. But, I won't do that if there's a way to make one animal create another animal, in which case I'll just make it breathe bees. Is that possible?

[Orgeston]

Should this work? When I try to use 'Emit bees' from my natural powers in arena nothing happens. The hive colossus has a mouth.

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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:GAS:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen killer bees]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen killer bees]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:molten killer bees]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten killer bees]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:killer bees]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:killer bees]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:YELLOW]
[MELTING_POINT:9870]
[BOILING_POINT:9930]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:killer bee sting]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_INHALED]
[CE_PAIN:SEV:50:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:50:PEAK:500:END:1500]
[CE_SWELLING:SEV:75:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:50:PEAK:500:END:1500]
[CAN_DO_INTERACTION:MATERIAL_EMISSION]
[CDI:ADV_NAME:Emit bees]
[CDI:USAGE_HINT:ATTACK]
[CDI:BP_REQUIRED:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
[CDI:MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:GAS:GAS]
[CDI:TARGET:C:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
[CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:15]
[CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:C:1]
[CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:50]

[Quietust]

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[CDI:MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:GAS:GAS]

The second GAS is not a valid breath attack type - you must use one of the types from this list, and the one you probably want is TRAILING_GAS_FLOW.

[Orgeston]

Alright, awesome, thank you. I saw the magma-crab raws, which say liquid glob, and I thought I was just defining the state of the material, not the type of attack.

[smakemupagus]

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Interaction_token
tells you the format is

CDI:MATERIAL:<material token>:<Breath attack token>

You know somewhat about material tokens from above.
If you didn't know what the valid "Breath attack tokens" are you can follow the link to

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Syndrome#Breath_Attack_Types
and see all the allowed breath attack tokens and their description.

[Quietust]

I saw the magma-crab raws, which say liquid glob, and I thought I was just defining the state of the material, not the type of attack.

If you are uncertain, do not guess, because it is very likely that you will guess incorrectly - instead, check the wiki!

[Orgeston]

Yeah, when I first started doing this I had no idea the wiki had so much info on all the tokens and everything. I was just kinda frankenstiening the raws of different creatures.

[Putnam]

I do not exaggerate when I say that the wiki has everything outside of the very fringes of weird-modding (the kind of thing that probably only works about 40% of the time).

Does TRAILING_ITEM_FLOW work with material emissions and vermin?