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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2014, 01:46:04 pm »

I had an old cat that my vet at that time said was throwing up due to bad teeth.  She refused to work on his teeth because she said he was too old.  A couple of years later she declared he had a nasal tumor and wanted to operate to remove it.  She showed me all of her nasal tumor collection, and insisted that his broad, neutered tomcat, facial features were a clear symptom of a tumor.  I saw no difference in his appearance and I refused.  In about another year he collapsed on the kitchen floor and I took him in to her for his final visit.  He was 17 years old.  I have other complaints about her but the real lesson came later when our new vet explained that kidney failure causes vomiting, not bad teeth.  It is the toxins building up in their bodies that makes them ill.  They drink a lot of water and urinate a lot, but it is eventually not enough get the toxins out of their body.

That first vet is no longer practicing, by the way.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2014, 04:04:13 am »

From the sounds of it, it's getting to the point where it would be more moral to put the cat down and end it's suffering. Don't make the mistake of being selfish and forcing it to live like this if your cat has no chance of improvement.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2014, 01:34:10 pm »

I dunno about injecting my cat with stuff. Sounds like vet territory.

As for putting the cat down, she still wants to eat a lot and purrs and lays on me a lot, so it doesn't appear she's in a ton of pain if you ask me. I don't think we're there yet. She still jumps and stuff. She's in my lap right now purring her butt off.

Besides, no vet saying anything yet.

Weird switch to flip really if you think about it. You take care of this animal your entire life and then one day it somehow becomes the "responsible thing" to kill it. I dunno when that happens but it's weird.

On another note, maybe that's why my parents are afraid to take her to the vet. They're afraid they might learn she's terminal or that there's nothing to be done. It's the kinda thing they might do to halfheartedly say the cat is misbehaving rather than to say it's doomed.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2014, 02:04:23 pm »

I dunno about injecting my cat with stuff. Sounds like vet territory.

As for putting the cat down, she still wants to eat a lot and purrs and lays on me a lot, so it doesn't appear she's in a ton of pain if you ask me. I don't think we're there yet. She still jumps and stuff.

Besides, no vet saying anything yet.

Trust me, and look at the link. You're not injecting anything into your cat's veins, it's just under the skin. It' sterile saline solution. Basically, if this is what it is, your cat's kidneys are failing. She is unable to process the toxic stuff that comes with eating. So she won't eat and will feel very nauseous.

Some people that are into body modification inject themselves with this saline stuff for fun. It's harmless, the body absorbs it and it won't do anything but hydrate you.

The subcut fluids flush her system.

Even if that isn't the problem, this would not hurt your cat as long as you use sterile needles and the proper bags. It's easy as all hell.

Your last line: did your parents agree to let you take her to the vet, then? That would be optimal.

Anyway, you can definitely find youtube videos for delivering subcutaneous fluids, which will clarify everything. I've done it for four different cats. Actually five... Sometimes for kidneys, sometimes because they were sick and were not getting enough fluids, and a couple times when the cat was dying and we were just giving it a week to see if there was an improvement (and they weren't drinking on their own.)

But now you say she's eating? Is she still vomiting?

If it is kidney trouble, letting it go and doing nothing is a long, drawn out death. The fluids can extend a cat's life, if regularly given, for a few years. The first cat I had that I did this with lived for another two years, she was twenty or twenty-one when she died and she was in good spirits for some time until the end. No fluids mean the toxins continue to build up though. There is no extension of life.

TBH I wouldn't take advice I got on the internet about my cat. Make your parents feel like shit about the whole thing. (Unless you think that will make them sick of it and they'll put her down to be done with it.)

When my cat Missy, the one that lived to twenty-one, first got sick my mom said she was just dying and she was comfortable. I think she wanted her to stumble off and die somewhere else. I kept trying to feed her though, but I didn't push to go to the vet for some reason I can't figure out. I think I kind of believed my mom that she was going out peacefully.

A friend of mine had arby's and he tried feeding her roast beef from it and she ate some and we were very excited, and I realized that she wasn't dying peacefully, that she very much wanted to live.

When I took her to the vet they said that it is very painful and she was starving to death and feeling nauseous the whole time. Cats are just so stoic about everything it can be hard to tell. (I had a cat with a detached retina that was causing an ulcer inside her eye that acted perfectly fine, and that had to be horrible.) This was a pricey vet though they were good. They said they could take care of her for $400 or so, deliver the fluids etc and watch her, or I could do it for much cheaper (though my personal vet charges way less for the fluids than they did, like $20. I can't remember what they charged but it was ridiculous.)

I called my dad, who refused to ever refer to the cat as anything but "that cat", and who had just bought a new jeep and was paying for my mom to get dentistry work done, and he didn't want to pay for any of it. He called them back and asked how much it would be to put her to sleep. He was like "If I say no you're going to think I'm an ogre" which I clarified that yes I would because he was, in fact, acting like a monster.

Anyway, he paid for the fluids and I stayed at his house for a few weeks giving her anti-nausea meds once she would actually eat and delivering fluids to her. (she fought the whole time, a friend stayed there with me because it took two people to do it and there was no way to feed her pills directly. She'd snap her own neck before she'd let you do it.)

She lived two more years and I only gave her fluids while she was not eating and feeling nauseous. Had I been able to continuously treat her she might have lived longer.

Also, don't get another animal, don't let your parents get one. If they aren't willing to pay for basic veterinary care, it is best not to have any.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2014, 03:46:26 pm »

Good plan, smeeprocket. Other option would be to stop feeding the dry food (has like 3% moisture) and start feeding wet food only (80% moisture! yay!) because cats have a very bad thirst reflex. if they eat the dry food they don't drink enough water to compensate, which makes the kidney problems worse. maybe easier than trying to inject your cat with saline.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2014, 04:25:04 pm »

Yea that's a good idea. I had a cat that hated wet food though, so it depends on what your cat will eat.

If it is what I think, at this stage that won't be enough though, but it will help. It might buy some time to work on your parents.

I was always very confrontational with my parents so I always want to tell people to just strong arm them. Just get angry and demand they do it and do whatever it takes to make them move in the direction you want. But not everyone, or everyones' parents, work like that. My parents had a point where it was just easier for them to give in than to put up with the fighting, whereas I could keep fighting about it for longer (though it stressed me out bad to pull that kind of thing.) So when it was really important I would revert to my family's primary mode of communication which was screaming angrily in their general direction. Obviously this was not a functional situation. These days I just try to encourage them to do the right thing. They neglected their dog that died recently horribly, then acted sad when they put him down. Got his ashes put in a box on the mantle, for all the good it did the poor dog in life. I told them not to get another pet. They have danced around the idea, and I am not looking forward to having to try to be more insistent. Being around them already stresses me out.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #66 on: December 04, 2014, 10:13:58 pm »

I really do appreciate the advice and I'm looking around for those possibilities.

It has, if nothing else, given me something to say if and when they pull that "there's nothing we can do," garbage.

So I think the cat is up to about 7 pounds now, so she's gained about a full pound since this whole thing started. Hopefully we can keep that up and get her healthier again with the continued feeding schedule and should it become necessary, those other options you mentioned with the hydration and special food stuff. She's still too skinny, but we're making progress and she knows she's loved/cared about. She's purring on my lap right now.

She's only throwing up a couple of times a week now, which again, is a major improvement from the everyday total inability to keep anything down we had when we started.

Still no vet visit yet, [sigh], but I'm thinking she'll go for her twice yearly visit soon enough. Hopefully we can deal with it then and the idea of putting the cat down will not even come up.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2014, 08:00:38 am »

I'm in a similar situation,  minus the bit about some parental force pushing to have them euthanized.

My current cat has been with us for about 16-17 years now, having been a rescue from my elementary school as many years ago as she is old. We have had her for over 3/4 of my life.

She is starting to display the same symptoms you describe (vomiting,  weight loss), but when she doesn't,  she appears to be perfectly fine, albeit a bit skinny, curling up on my lap as I game, or next to me when I sleep.

I fear out of our pets, she's next in line to go, and the one I've formed the most apparent emotional attachment to.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2014, 10:07:45 am »

I'm in a similar situation,  minus the bit about some parental force pushing to have them euthanized.

My current cat has been with us for about 16-17 years now, having been a rescue from my elementary school as many years ago as she is old. We have had her for over 3/4 of my life.

She is starting to display the same symptoms you describe (vomiting,  weight loss), but when she doesn't,  she appears to be perfectly fine, albeit a bit skinny, curling up on my lap as I game, or next to me when I sleep.

I fear out of our pets, she's next in line to go, and the one I've formed the most apparent emotional attachment to.

The upside is you have the power to take your cat to the vet to get her checked out!

Let us know how it goes.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2015, 07:59:01 am »

The cat is scheduled for a vet appointment at 9:20 this morning.

She's lethargic and doesn't wanna move. This is odd considering that she was walking around just fine at about 1 or 2 am last night, so this is a very recent development (last four or five hours). She's just laying down half under the couch and she won't move or meow.

Mom has once again given the cat a premature death sentence, and doesn't think she'll make it, but then that's what she said four months ago. I'm holding out for the vet to say something either way. It's entirely possible this is it for the cat. I don't know. She hasn't been throwing up too much compared with before. Right about now it's a once a week thing, so that's actually an improvement over what it was.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2015, 09:20:03 am »

:( Good luck
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2015, 10:15:51 am »

Evidently, the vet says there is a "90 to 95% chance of renal and or liver failure." She's lost 30% of her body weight since summer as of this weigh in and she didn't weigh a whole lot then. The fact that she weighed even less by my measurements and that she gained a very small amount of weight was "remarkable." A blood test could confirm it, but evidently once a cat reaches this weight, he has never seen one come back in his 35 years of practice, and she is "the equivalent of 84 years old."

He said I did a much better job than most pet owners he sees and now it's a quality of life issue. The choices are putting her down, or extending her life, but there's little to be done about the pain, which evidently she is in.... I asked if there was anything taking her to the vet a couple of months ago could have done, and he said, "maybe, but I doubt it. What she has isn't going to get better." Fuck.
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2015, 06:21:25 pm »

My condolences
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2015, 08:11:32 pm »

I'm sorry to hear this - it's not easy, but the kindest thing to do at this point is have the cat put to sleep to end the suffering :(
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Re: My parents are talking about putting the cat down.
« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2015, 11:56:27 pm »

I'm sorry to hear this - it's not easy, but the kindest thing to do at this point is have the cat put to sleep to end the suffering :(

Or get the cat painkillers. Though that would probably be expensive.
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